{"id":353,"date":"2024-04-03T15:36:13","date_gmt":"2024-04-03T15:36:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sbedwards.co\/staging\/9372\/?p=353"},"modified":"2025-12-04T22:22:44","modified_gmt":"2025-12-04T22:22:44","slug":"uncovering-ancient-transgender-stories-in-lucians-dialogues-of-the-courtesans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sbedwards.co\/staging\/9372\/uncovering-ancient-transgender-stories-in-lucians-dialogues-of-the-courtesans\/","title":{"rendered":"Uncovering Ancient Transgender Stories In Lucian&#8217;s Dialogues Of The Courtesans"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Ancient Transgender Stories In Lucian&#039;s Dialogues Of The Courtesans | Transgender History\" width=\"1290\" height=\"726\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/TABZp5bIMVU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9ea695657c9047664344573012ae551d wp-block-paragraph\">We&#8217;re doing something a little different today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0dfcd3f78b8c4d89585d5fb27f8975bc wp-block-paragraph\">We&#8217;ve looked at a lot of history so far on this channel, and for a <a href=\"\/transgender-history\/\">transgender history<\/a> channel, that shouldn&#8217;t come as a surprise.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9b525673575a793be58f4b1751142cb1 wp-block-paragraph\">We&#8217;ve also done some <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/transgender-mythology\/\">transgender mythology<\/a> analysis, which we turned around and used to explore some history, through the lens of euhemerism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-08d55596a0c74844b882fa3a64666e70 wp-block-paragraph\">But what we haven&#8217;t really done yet is literary analysis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1430f94dcf778ee4efb31187e0220608 wp-block-paragraph\">It was bound to happen sooner or later, since the ancient Greeks and Romans didn&#8217;t just leave us historical writings \u2013 they wrote a fair amount of what we&#8217;d consider today to be fiction as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e694a5e02749e23084db2e0a5628541d wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s also the first time we&#8217;ll be looking at a more <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/trans-men-in-history\/\">trans masculine history<\/a> topic, which I&#8217;ve gotten a lot of requests for. And I kinda feel bad about that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6ec54b89c0c1457212ca561c2a882353 wp-block-paragraph\">Because look, this channel is called We Have Always Existed, because it&#8217;s about the histories of transgender people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-810a49e74ef5357db9bdafebd02805ee wp-block-paragraph\">So far we&#8217;ve talked about trans feminine priestesses, an ambiguously trans feminine emperor, some intersex and generally gender nonconforming topics, and a whole lot of castration. Something&#8217;s missing there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1dea915c50a41083f93ca25bd262b546 wp-block-paragraph\">To a certain extent, that reveals my own bias \u2013 I&#8217;m a trans woman, so naturally trans feminine topics interest me more. But trans feminine topics also tend to be more well known. The catalyst that got me to start this channel in the first place was in seeing people talk about the Scythian Enaree priestesses but not being able to find any decent information about them. Nobody was talking about it in a way that made any sense outside of stuffy academic papers, so I figured somebody had to do it, and why not me? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-479c91157357a9a31b7f5756e425373d wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/the-enarei-scythian-transgender-priestesses-remastered\/\">The Transgender Enaree Priestesses REMASTERED<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b0cf3e98dbbdc0cb148987a7d0857b68 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/exploring-the-remains-of-an-enaree-priestess\/\">Exploring the Grave of a Transgender Enaree Priestess<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2f9a3087fa0b50ef0dcd7d98008d4ed1 wp-block-paragraph\">But trans men are frequently left out of the conversation when it comes to trans topics, and that sucks. I&#8217;ve read various different reasons why that&#8217;s the case \u2013 on average, the further trans men get in their transitions the better they tend to pass as cis, they tend to be more lowkey than their chaotic trans sisters, they tend to attract less ire from TERFs who view them as confused wayward lesbians to be rescued and not sick perverted men in dresses, yadda yadda yadda.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-02b76781a64357330be4051456d7e721 wp-block-paragraph\">And on one hand, I feel like that last part might be nice \u2013 it&#8217;s exhausting to be the centre of political attention for an entire movement of hateful maniacs. But I&#8217;ve heard enough trans men talk about how difficult things can be on their side of the coin to recognize it&#8217;s clearly not such a great time either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2d5db669a6e2794edbd572d292783d65 wp-block-paragraph\">Trans men and trans women envying the other&#8217;s position, name a more iconic duo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d2fec9974e13aea7e65083996a44e347 wp-block-paragraph\">Who&#8217;s got it harder? Who&#8217;s got it easier? Who cares? Pointless conversation. What are we both doing to lift each other up and improve our entire community? That&#8217;s much more important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f8b91d8ed37ff1b154c7c15542238063 wp-block-paragraph\">But this channel is for you too, my trans brothers. Trans people deserve to know and own our histories, and that includes you just as much as the rest of us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-626136a6c6a4bfbf6774c8f96278c646 wp-block-paragraph\">But trans masculine history has layers of complexity to it that set it apart from trans feminine history. For example, there&#8217;s a significant overlap between trans masculine and lesbian culture that doesn&#8217;t really exist for trans women and cis men. As a result, it&#8217;s sometimes difficult to discuss one without the other.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a4ba02bc4bdd00abb89f28eb8722e691 wp-block-paragraph\">Today, we&#8217;re going to look at the Greek poet Lucian, and his Dialogues Of The Courtesans. We&#8217;ll talk about the poet himself, the particular dialogue that relates to the subject matter of this channel, some context to help it make more sense, and finally, a literary analysis of what the whole thing means.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5e9e95f2ca9edac521d87c27febbbbc7 wp-block-paragraph\">As usual, your support on Patreon is greatly appreciated. It really does make a big difference in helping me turn this channel into something more self sustaining. You&#8217;ll get all sorts of perks, including access to our private Discord channel, a shout out in the credits, early access to videos before they go public, my eternal gratitude, and more. It starts at just a buck a month. Link in the profile.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-fe0a7de2 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support The Channel On Patreon<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f513eef903cdb5e75559e886433af249 wp-block-paragraph\">But if Patreon support isn&#8217;t in the cards for you, that&#8217;s okay. You can still help support the channel by leaving a like and comment, and by subscribing. When you do that, it tells the YouTube algorithm that people like you like this video, so it&#8217;s more likely to show this video to people like you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f83ca3415536f4f1de03c6b14036fdfc wp-block-paragraph\">If you believe, like I do, that it&#8217;s important and necessary for trans people to understand our own histories, those simple actions \u2013 a like, a comment, a subscribe \u2013 will go a long way toward spreading these stories in the community. Even if you comment \u201cI like the video Sophie!\u201d that&#8217;s all it takes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7fbfa7efb8d801709b169a3781d621fa wp-block-paragraph\">Let&#8217;s do what we can to counter the lie told about us by the forces of hatred &#8211; the lie that we&#8217;re a modern invention. We&#8217;re not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ad7000b0a4874aef234ee57ec62a6cf4 wp-block-paragraph\">Human history without trans people has never existed, and so long as humanity endures, so too will we.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-93fe7cb739220eb7813b0a6b692a02f2 wp-block-paragraph\">Without further ado&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<nav class=\"wp-block-stackable-table-of-contents stk-block-table-of-contents stk-block stk-cdeb61c stk-block-background\" data-block-id=\"cdeb61c\"><style>.stk-cdeb61c {background-color:var(--theme-palette-color-5, #384b56) !important;}.stk-cdeb61c:before{background-color:var(--theme-palette-color-5, #384b56) !important;}<\/style><p class=\"stk-table-of-contents__title\">Table of Contents<\/p><ul class=\"stk-table-of-contents__table\"><li><a href=\"#chapter-i-lucians-dialogues-of-the-courtesans-and-new-comedy\">Chapter I: Lucian&#8217;s Dialogues Of The Courtesans And New Comedy<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#chapter-ii-understanding-the-world-of-athenian-prostitution\">Chapter II: Understanding The World Of Athenian Prostitution<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#chapter-iii-dialogue-v\">Chapter III: Dialogue V<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#chapter-iv-geez-where-do-we-even-start-with-this-one\">Chapter IV: Geez Where Do We Even Start With This One?<\/a><ul><li><a href=\"#question-i-is-he-like-achilles\">Question I: Is He Like Achilles?<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#question-ii-is-he-like-hermaphroditus\">Question II: Is He Like Hermaphroditus?<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#question-iii-is-he-like-teiresias\">Question III: Is He Like Teiresias?<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li><a href=\"#chapter-v-and-thats-pretty-clear-isnt-it\">Chapter V: And That&#8217;s Pretty Clear, Isn&#8217;t It?<\/a><ul><li><a href=\"#is-he-a-caricature-of-lesbians\">Is He A Caricature Of Lesbians?<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#is-he-a-caricature-of-a-lesbian\">Is He A Caricature Of A Lesbian?<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#is-he-a-caricature-of-a-man\">Is He A Caricature Of A Man?<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li><a href=\"#chapter-vi-so-what-is-he\">Chapter VI: So, What Is He?<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#chapter-vii-so-what-can-megillus-tell-us-about-transgender-history\">Chapter VII: So, What Can Megillus Tell Us About Transgender History<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#undefined\">\ufffcAncient Sources Used:<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"#modern-sources-used\">Modern Sources Used:<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"chapter-i-lucians-dialogues-of-the-courtesans-and-new-comedy\"><strong>Chapter I: Lucian&#8217;s Dialogues Of The Courtesans And New Comedy<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e21a8ed44b9128130b3f64be76e00e13 wp-block-paragraph\">We talked about Lucian, briefly, in the original video on the Gallae. He wrote a piece called <em>On The Syrian Goddess<\/em>, where he told us a possible origin story for why the Gallae worshiped Kybele in the particular way they did. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5b1d65d79769777ccfb7bec3859119bc wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/gallae\/\">The Gallae: The Transgender Priestesses of Kybele<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d38afac62f4f122c346fa9ccc3c3f803 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/kybele-and-the-gallae\/\">Introduction to the Gallae<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d1e1cad14c8358b7b20e24b16a7ef22e wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/the-rituals-of-the-gallae-transgender-priestesses\/\">Rituals of the Gallae Transgender Priestesses<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-44b950fe548c18561f82380325beba62 wp-block-paragraph\">Most of what we know about Lucian comes from his writings, which is a bit of a problem when it comes to putting together a biography of him. After all, his writings were satire. But here&#8217;s the best we can tell. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-635c70d2e4615e17da78688cf73d752f wp-block-paragraph\">He was born somewhere around 125 CE, in the city of Samosata, in the Roman province of Syria, which includes part of modern day Syria, as well as parts of Turkey and Lebanon. Today, Samosata is called Samsat, and it&#8217;s in the southeast corner of Turkey along the Euphrates river, about a hundred kilometres from the Syrian border.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1c9f0e98add37feea209d77d16a5075c wp-block-paragraph\">Lucian&#8217;s family was lower middle class, and as a young man he worked under his uncle as an apprentice sculptor, but he didn&#8217;t seem to like it so he ran away to Ionia, on the west coast of Asia Minor south of Mt. Ida, to pursue an education. Eventually, he settled in Athens, which is where he wrote most of his work. Even though he lived during Roman rule of Greece, and came from an area where Aramaic was most commonly spoken, he wrote in Greek.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b996c5b8db573f4934756ee1b88d5017 wp-block-paragraph\">When it comes to ancient writers whose work survives, Lucian is one of the most fortunate. Nearly a hundred titles attributed to him survive today, though at least a few of them were probably not his. That&#8217;s a pretty big deal when you compare him with other ancient writers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-aa882dc18f75802a625abbe4d1bbfe14 wp-block-paragraph\">The Roman writer Livy, for example, wrote 142 books on Roman history, and we have 35 of them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-735d487f1209b3f88e28875681a973ef wp-block-paragraph\">The Athenian tragic poet Aeschylus wrote 90 plays, and we have 6.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-28c52cb36be692df4b4ae73145d3542e wp-block-paragraph\">79 of the Athenian orator Hypereides&#8217; speeches were written down and published in the ancient world, and today we&#8217;ve got 2.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f7b2d393add9a73c03a441eb044db24b wp-block-paragraph\">The Athenian poet Philemon wrote 97 works, and of those, we have a few fragments and titles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-428b23a599f285baa1212a7970ba1bdf wp-block-paragraph\">A lot of this stuff gets lost over the millennia, so it&#8217;s kind of a miracle that so much of Lucian&#8217;s work survives today, especially since he made some nasty comments about Christians, and when Christianity became the dominant religion in the empire they tended to love purging anti christian works. Even still, he became popular in the Byzantine empire, where a lot of it was used as part of their school curriculum. So yeah, we&#8217;re pretty lucky to have what we have. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-af2ae427bafb0e8ac22818aa8bfec28e wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <\/strong><a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/transgender-christians\/\"><strong>Transgender Christians in History<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cdb6be83f2c04da2e61ac5a00ec6ca90 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/gender-transgression-in-early-christianity\/\">Gender Transgression in Early Christianity<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-33c09401157e39cc1f1362ee46dbd85d wp-block-paragraph\">One of the most interesting ones to me, personally, is called <em>A True Story<\/em>, about a group of travelers who are blown off course and end up on the Moon, where they find themselves caught in the middle of a war between Endymion the Moon King and Phaethon the Sun King, over who gets to colonize Venus. There&#8217;s a lot more to it from there, but this is, ARGUABLY, the earliest example of a story that could be called science fiction, from nearly 2000 years ago. I&#8217;m planning to do a reading of it on this channel, even though it&#8217;s not specifically trans history, because the idea of it is just so much fun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-be7b64deaa7cc8acfd012ca9892e0e47 wp-block-paragraph\">But today, we&#8217;re looking at the Dialogues Of The Courtesans. It&#8217;s a collection of short pieces, sort of like skits, usually between a group of prostitutes. They share gossip with one another, and complain quite a bit; about other girls stealing their clients, about rejecting annoying clients, about the anxiety of receiving their first client, about dealing with men desperate for their attention, and about clients who get too rough. At times it&#8217;s dark, but for the most part it&#8217;s a lot of fun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-bc1dd4a8e381258367ff798bf1129537 wp-block-paragraph\">Dialogues of the Courtesans is a great example of what the ancient Greeks called \u201cnew comedy.\u201d Without getting too far into the weeds here, ancient Greek comedy is divided into three different eras.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-74c4c16459fe704e6ffeddb2f1708b8b wp-block-paragraph\">Old comedy was popular in the 5<sup>th<\/sup> century BCE. It was full of political satire, to the point where the characters in the plays would sometimes be caricatures of real people. It was also pretty lewd, full of what we might today call toilet humour. If you&#8217;re familiar with the comic playwright Aristophanes, some of his works are the best surviving example of old comedy we have today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7e543f454da7ad813a5f4fcbd416991d wp-block-paragraph\">Next, middle comedy. Rather than taking aim at political figures and situations, they&#8217;d be more focused on mythological scenes, or so we&#8217;re told. No full plays of middle comedy survive today, so it&#8217;s difficult to comment much further on it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-43ae71cfcd5590d531ebe15b909452ad wp-block-paragraph\">Finally, we have new comedy. It became popular during Macedonian hegemony in Greece, the late 4<sup>th<\/sup> century to the end of the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> century BCE. It was much more focused on situations of everyday life. That meant they were full of stereotypical stock characters. If you want to think of new comedy as sort of like ancient sitcoms or comedy sketches, you wouldn&#8217;t be too far off the mark.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7250fb7558ccdd78253ecdc6d6b94bbc wp-block-paragraph\">Now, Dialogues of the Courtesans is absolutely a new comedy. But that doesn&#8217;t mean Lucian was a new comedy playwright. These three eras of comedy happened centuries before Lucian was born, so he exists outside of these movements. He wrote in a variety of different styles \u2013 the one we&#8217;re looking at today just happens to be more of a new comedy style.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-95b1a66937512eec82ef7873c57a5f48 wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s like one of those retro rock bands that was big in the early 2010s that played Led Zeppelin worship 70s rock. Yeah they&#8217;re playing in a vintage style, but it&#8217;s not the same thing as the original. The style by that point had already been codified. That doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s entirely derivative, innovation and exploration is still possible, but it&#8217;s done in response to the original established genre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a626204bcbcd75931f1c40bd101fd396 wp-block-paragraph\">For our purposes, we&#8217;ll be looking at Dialogue V. It&#8217;s not very long, so I&#8217;m going to just read the whole thing here. I&#8217;m reading from the Loeb Classical Library version, which from what I can tell is public domain, but I guess we&#8217;ll find out if I get a copyright strike. I&#8217;ll put the text on the screen too, so you can follow along more easily.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-db08317f261add694cc05a1c9b15d753 wp-block-paragraph\">But before we get to reading the text, I want to spend some time talking about how prostitution worked in ancient Athens. After all, it is called <em>Dialogues of the Courtesans<\/em>, and if we don&#8217;t take some time to understand what that world might have been like, we&#8217;ll end up filling in the gaps with all sorts of modern assumptions, and that&#8217;s not helpful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2dd64d476729850b26bf19a546a9c479 wp-block-paragraph\">So let&#8217;s take a short look at the world of Athenian prostitution. From there, we&#8217;ll read Dialogues of the Courtesans V, pick through the text, and address the whole reason why we&#8217;re covering it here on this channel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"chapter-ii-understanding-the-world-of-athenian-prostitution\"><strong>Chapter II: Understanding The World Of Athenian Prostitution<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8d8810d98b2fd54b531243650f08e15c wp-block-paragraph\">When we think of prostitution, a pretty specific image probably comes up. Unless you happen to live in an area where it&#8217;s legal, which is more places than you might think \u2013 the US puritanical attitude around sex work is not the global norm \u2013 you might imagine ladies of the night selling their trade on dimly lit street corners, dealing with abusive pimps exploiting them from within their butterfly collars, and living just outside Johnny Law&#8217;s oppressive reach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-27ef43ef25ce663a85818477a3dd179a wp-block-paragraph\">But that&#8217;s not what it was like in ancient Greece. At least, not exactly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fba7cd4fd1375bb6910f51e99d57fb1b wp-block-paragraph\">The Athenian lawmaker Solon, who laid the foundations for what would become Athenian democracy, supposedly founded a number of brothels in the city, paid for by public funds. These brothels were mandated to provide sex work for a \u201creasonable price\u201d of one <em>obol<\/em> per session. So when incels today talk about using government to provide access to sex, that&#8217;s not even a new idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c723ef995e533faced4603536b1f3a03 wp-block-paragraph\">Six <em>obols<\/em> was worth a <em>drachma<\/em>, the standard of currency in ancient Greece. Based on what the Athenian general turned historian Xenophon tells us, half a drachma would have been enough to provide for a somewhat comfortable living for the lower classes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-949b32df99bb94195b5aa22531416dc4 wp-block-paragraph\">There&#8217;s a lot of talk about living wages \u2013 the amount one needs to earn to fetch a decent lower class quality of life. In Toronto, a comparably sized city to ancient Athens, relatively speaking, that&#8217;s $25.05 an hour as of late 2023, assuming full time employment (Living Wage Network). Let&#8217;s round down to $25 an hour, just to make the math easier. So a living wage in Toronto is around $200 a day, which is the equivalent to a half drachma. So one drachma would be $400. Divide that by six and you get about $67 Canadian dollars for one obol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b3a6183014185324c3673920f20029c1 wp-block-paragraph\">In other words, if we had the same system today that they had in ancient Athens, you could hire a government hooker for about the price of a new video game.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7b5d449f3f67910472e11b6fa5b1295a wp-block-paragraph\">Why did Solon do this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d715335b751153d19961fb16fc085978 wp-block-paragraph\">Well, it&#8217;s arguable whether or not he did, but we&#8217;re not getting into that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9b290dad1dac776ecaf24dc3af052303 wp-block-paragraph\">If he did it, why did he do it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0dae7ce3ea026bff455f29cb310d5151 wp-block-paragraph\">Money, first of all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1fc3a467355be6fb8879fb14c29e4151 wp-block-paragraph\">When we talk about the ancient polis, or city state, we&#8217;re referring to the city itself, as well as the surrounding area it controlled. The polis of classical Athens, for example, included the city of course, but also the farmland around it, and several other towns. Athens itself is not a coastal city, of course, but it controlled the busy port town Piraeus. Various ships would arrive at the port on a regular basis, where travelers, merchants, and the ship&#8217;s crew would disembark and look for ways to spend their time and money. Many of these were young single men, so, do the math.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-831df33605dbadd1354d8c74b0a58a23 wp-block-paragraph\">By legalizing, regulating, and taxing prostitution, Solon brought a lot of revenue to the state.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-93133f6989b04715ddbb5f8c00ac60e4 wp-block-paragraph\">But there was another goal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-58e5bd14394f2d3d67e1967405a63180 wp-block-paragraph\">By providing accessible prostitution, the Athenian government would be able to reduce the number of chaste young Athenian women being deflowered by lonely horndog sailors. They were also trained in how to provide sexual pleasure, which Athenian women by and large weren&#8217;t skilled in, if we believe the entirely male writers who reported on such things. A woman&#8217;s role was to be a housewife and a mother, and sex was viewed as an act done to somebody, not with. You either took an active or a passive role in sex, and the active role was reserved almost exclusively for Athenian citizen men. Athenian wives tended to be quite passive during sex, which doesn&#8217;t seem to have been satisfying for either partner involved. But being the wildly misogynistic culture they were, Athens cared only about the sexual satisfaction of its citizens \u2013 and only adult men could be citizens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-02644ed34516458b6f7bbb5f4a6b2891 wp-block-paragraph\">Were all prostitutes the same? No, in fact there were a few different categories of prostitute.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-106d9b4e438e6eeb496de0a9e2cc09c7 wp-block-paragraph\">First, the slave prostitutes and streetwalkers. These were called <em>pornai<\/em>, from the Greek verb \u201c<em>pernemi<\/em>\u201d or \u201cto sell\u201d and it&#8217;s obviously where we get a certain modern word. These girls were owned by a <em>pornoboskos<\/em>, who acted essentially as a pimp. They worked in the public brothels Solon established, as well as some privately owned ones. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9ea0773cf9b51f61601cb1f5e884b240 wp-block-paragraph\">A <em>pornoboskos <\/em>was looked at sort of like how used car salesmen are today \u2013 a perfectly legitimate, though not particularly trustworthy or reputable, way to make a living (NO OFFENSE TO YOU IF YOU&#8217;RE A USED CAR SALESPERSON IN THE AUDIENCE I&#8217;M SURE YOU YOURSELF ARE A PERFECTLY TRUSTWORTHY AND REPUTABLE INDIVIDUAL). He would train the newly acquired <em>pornai <\/em>in how to please their clients, which they&#8217;d do in the brothels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0080dda7a11af815e8466ab983eccb59 wp-block-paragraph\">How he trained them, I don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;m sure we can make some educated guesses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8fc402c66d03dd104fd0efb9cdd88c99 wp-block-paragraph\">What about the brothels themselves? They didn&#8217;t seem like great places to be.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-351c9955ceda0d5113d4b9bb5abc10c2 wp-block-paragraph\">One particular archaeological site at Athens is called the <em>Kerameikos <\/em>district, called that because there were a lot of ceramics workers in the area. A series of buildings \u2013 called Z1 Z2 and Z3 \u2013 have been identified as brothels. Z1 was destroyed in an earthquake around the late 5<sup>th<\/sup> century BCE. Z2 was built shortly after to replace it, and was destroyed when the Spartans conquered Athens at the end of the Peloponnesian War in 404 BCE. Z3, from there, survived until the end of the 4<sup>th<\/sup> century BCE when another earthquake took it down. Z3 is the one whose remains we understand best.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cf422c469491d546b29467b5454ee0f3 wp-block-paragraph\">It was about 500 square metres in size, and I know that sounds really big, it&#8217;s more than 5300 square feet, but I double checked a couple different sources to make sure that wasn&#8217;t a misprint or something, and yeah it really was that size. It was a single storey, and divided into a bunch of smaller rooms. In most of these rooms we&#8217;ve found loom weights, and some have interpreted this to mean it was a textile factory, conveniently ignoring the statues and amulets depicting Aphrodite and Eros, and several hundred eating and drinking vessels. They also ignore the fact that no ancient source mentions a textile factory in this area, despite the fact that the area itself is fairly well documented.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-dabd435c3663fbea1f28d09d10fd2884 wp-block-paragraph\">Using a loom was considered feminine work, and was often a housewife&#8217;s job. But it wasn&#8217;t necessarily <em>just<\/em> a housewife&#8217;s job. In fact, women who were slaves often did this sort of work as well. So the fact that this brothel was filled with both erotic art and weaving tools suggests this building was a place where slave women would serve as prostitutes, and weave in between clients.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f6126228698eead23475338d2dbe21c3 wp-block-paragraph\">It was also one of the nicer spots in town, as far as brothels go. There was a garden courtyard, baths, dining rooms, and beautifully designed mosaics on the floor. But the fact that these <em>pornai <\/em>would spend their days either having sex with random men for a legally imposed pittance (and on top of that, the pornoboskos would take part of their wages) or working hard to produce textiles in dark rooms, suggests they didn&#8217;t live a particularly joyous existence, even in what might have been considered one of the nicer brothels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c3306f1ed3bc9fb4740062cc07667390 wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Pornai <\/em>weren&#8217;t necessarily slaves, though it seems as though they often were.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f09372d8ceb03507e8e3fe356b083a3e wp-block-paragraph\">Okay, so that&#8217;s the <em>pornai<\/em>. But they also had another category \u2013 <em>hetairai<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d24f57ed1a0953cff32a4fed4f6cbf83 wp-block-paragraph\">These were significantly different. In fact, <em>hetairai <\/em>were often considered fairly cultured, intelligent, and worldly. Rather than just providing sexual services, they also served as entertainers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-911b7698819244b25b60d4f76b54261d wp-block-paragraph\">A tradition for upper class Athenians was a type of social gathering called a symposium, where they would recline on couches, eat, drink wine out of a vessel called a <em>kylix<\/em>, and entertain each other. If you&#8217;re familiar with Plato, you might recognize the word symposium as the name of one of his works \u2013 that&#8217;s because it&#8217;s written to have taken place at such an event. It was for men only, like much of Athenian public life \u2013 the wives stayed at home, tending to the household, taking care of the kids, and often taking care of themselves with an <em>olisbos<\/em>, a dildo made from dogskin. Yeah, you heard that right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2360ae63f87f3fb5c3f50d8b106f7588 wp-block-paragraph\">But after a while, it tends to get tiring if you just keep throwing parties with a bunch of dudes. So if you were hosting a symposium, and you were a particularly cool guy and wanted your friends to know you were a particularly cool guy, you might hire some <em>hetairai <\/em>to come to your party as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-813d5ef9103b07107dcadc896099288d wp-block-paragraph\">These girls would dance, sing, play instruments, serve food, and engage the men in conversation. And when it came down to it, they&#8217;d sometimes have sex with them as well. But it wasn&#8217;t always a short term relationship. In fact, they could enter long term relationships with their clients, becoming their <em>pallake,<\/em> or concubine, sometimes receiving lavish gifts in exchange.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ffc212b08d66bf6e1e1ed4ef52089154 wp-block-paragraph\">These women were given the chance to develop their intellectual side far more than most Athenian women, which is part of why they were allowed to join in at a symposium. They often lived on their own or with other <em>hetairai<\/em>, and even though they weren&#8217;t usually freeborn Athenian woman \u2013 they were sometimes slaves, former slaves, or foreigners \u2013 some of them seemed to have greater freedom and more enjoyable lives than freeborn Athenian women. It&#8217;s suspected that some <em>hetairai <\/em>were upper class women from cities that were conquered by Athens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f652b91b7741ca318459afaf38a54940 wp-block-paragraph\">Smart, sexy, witty, talented, great in bed, and with more freedom than Athenian women \u2013 no wonder these women were so highly sought after.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5f34fba0a405e8cacb0758eede0b32e6 wp-block-paragraph\">But I love the patriarchal logic here. Athenian men went out of their way to make sure their women were nothing like the <em>hetairai<\/em>, whom they clearly found to be more desirable. So in the process of putting women in their place, so to speak, it also created a situation where Athenian men were actually less attracted to them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cdbdf6f3a055cf001e40d924b9b037e7 wp-block-paragraph\">Patriarchy really does make things worse for everyone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8012e3b502e165b45ed29aa233450754 wp-block-paragraph\">Were there male prostitutes as well? Yes. But, in keeping with the patriarchal ideas of ancient Athens, male prostitutes were described with verbs. Meanwhile, <em>porne<\/em> and <em>hetaira<\/em> are nouns. Men did prostitution, and could stop doing it \u2013 women <em>were <\/em>prostitutes, it was an identity they were branded with.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a320d5e2f5399866d1adec971eb49a58 wp-block-paragraph\">So what about the girls in the Dialogue of the Courtesans? Were they <em>pornai<\/em> or <em>hetairai<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-614478b998140c358ccd1a79a4ed27bb wp-block-paragraph\">Several of the dialogues reference the girls having attended parties, and that doesn&#8217;t seem like something <em>pornai<\/em> were allowed to do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fcb3f25cc1956adc28da34fa220a1d4a wp-block-paragraph\">As well, in dialogue 6, between Corinna and her mother Crobyle, the two women talk about how difficult it&#8217;s been since Crobyle&#8217;s husband and Corinna&#8217;s father, Philinus, died. They sold all his blacksmithing tools, but since then they&#8217;ve had very little to eat. But Crobyle talks about Corinna supporting both herself and her mother. This exchange says, quote:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-265b71583115c1f8770a3cd1a6385e92 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Crobyle: <\/strong>I worked out that when you were as old as you are now, it would be easy for you both to keep me and provide yourself with clothes, that you would be rich, and have purple dresses and maids.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2fede9a7fc11ca34b9b5aba11a823436 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Corinna: <\/strong>How so? What do you mean by that, mother?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b1e548172bf7b07d3d8c2dd26822b1b1 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Crobyle: <\/strong>By associating with young men, drinking, and sleeping with them for money.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e9cd109b6cae33bfa7af5a232d41a6be wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Corinna: <\/strong>Like Daphnis&#8217; daughter, Lyra?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b81b8221cde02c596def65b11dac1105 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Crobyle: <\/strong>Yes<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-687f137e1c1d84f99d01eed7478d0178 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Corinna:<\/strong> But she&#8217;s a [hetaira]<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2baf7df6c2571cb0f4dcbebf8e127b23 wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s worth noting that she specifically uses the word hetaira here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-562796d6825481f5662446f30005d20e wp-block-paragraph\">The boundary between <em>pornai <\/em>and <em>hetairai <\/em>wasn&#8217;t always a clear one, and some scholars wonder whether these were even distinct categories at all. But that&#8217;s beyond the scope of this video.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-20d71d75d46f3decddd69b03c8e23a91 wp-block-paragraph\">That said, I think these girls were <em>hetairai.<\/em> But this dialogue is set during the golden age of Athens, which was a few hundred years before Lucian&#8217;s time. So he&#8217;s bound to have gotten some of the details wrong. In fact, these girls are fictional representations of courtesans, not actual courtesans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f501ccbec9378abf690dbfc8769128bf wp-block-paragraph\">So, now that we know a bit more about what Athenian prostitution might have looked like, let&#8217;s get to the text.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-48281b560f788a583982b6f004124b7c wp-block-paragraph\">Apologies in advance, there&#8217;s a bunch of misgendering in the passage to come, which I chose to preserve as written because it&#8217;s relevant to the analysis we&#8217;ll be doing after. Outside of the original text itself, however, I&#8217;ll be referring to characters the way they identify themselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"chapter-iii-dialogue-v\"><strong>Chapter III: Dialogue V<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1159a3b1f2f1d70916c12dcc2b849396 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Klonarion<\/strong>: We&#8217;ve been hearing strange things about you, Leaena. They say that Megilla, the rich Lesbian woman, is in love with you just like a man, that you live with each other, and do goodness knows what together. Hullo! Blushing? Tell me if it&#8217;s true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-30a15bbea631d1ebc1716614c046df6d wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Leaena: <\/strong>Quite true, Klonarion. But I&#8217;m ashamed, for it&#8217;s unnatural.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9bcbbe446143180bbc11fc06ea6eb3b4 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Klonarion:<\/strong> In the name of Mother Aphrodite, what&#8217;s it all about? What does the woman want? What do you do when you are together? You see, you don&#8217;t love me, or you wouldn&#8217;t hide such things from me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7e856b67c38f055d3b5c31cd3033daa7 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Leaena:<\/strong> I love you as much as I love any woman, but she&#8217;s terribly like a man.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e7054f9968a35f4998edad86cdbfaa52 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Klonarion:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t understand what you mean, unless she&#8217;s a sort of woman for the ladies. They say there are women like that in Lesbos, with faces like men, and unwilling to consort with men, but only with women, as though they themselves were men.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ba39764be51703f512f0dacbb9786987 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Leaena:<\/strong> It&#8217;s something like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e43de390822b1a4a2febfa7ec739f1ed wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Klonarion:<\/strong> Well, tell me all about it; tell me how she made her first advances to you, how you were persuaded, and what followed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0208203c9424e1d831b0f279d5c70757 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Leaena:<\/strong> She herself and another rich woman, with the same accomplishments, Demonassa from Corinth, were organising a drinking party, and had taken me along to provide them with music. But, when I had finished playing, and it was late and time to turn in and they were drunk, Megilla said, \u201cCome along, Leaena, it&#8217;s high time we were in bed; you sleep here between us.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-695f23c2d2233e84820b58ce18b1b731 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Klonarion:<\/strong> And did you? What happened after that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-eb6c44a165464ccac2822699cd3e2ad9 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Leaena:<\/strong> At first they kissed me, like men, not simply bringing their lips to mine, but opening their mouths a little, embracing me, and squeezing my breasts. Demonassa even bit me as she kissed, and I didn&#8217;t know what to make of it. Eventually Megilla, being now rather heated, pulled off her wig, which was very realistic and fitted very closely, and revealed the skin of her head which was shaved close just as on the most energetic of athletes. This sight gave me a shock, but she said, \u201cLeaena, have you ever seen such a good looking young fellow?\u201d \u201cI don&#8217;t se one here, Megilla,\u201d said I. \u201cDon&#8217;t make a woman out of me,\u201d said she. \u201cMy name is Megillus, and I&#8217;ve been married to Demonassa here for ever so long; she&#8217;s my wife.\u201d I laughed at that, Klonarion, and said, \u201cThen, unknown to us, Megillus, you were a man all the time, just as they say Achilles once hid among the girls, and you have everything that a man has, and can play the part of a man to Demonassa?\u201d \u201cI haven&#8217;t got what you mean,\u201d said she \u201cI don&#8217;t need it at all. You&#8217;ll find I&#8217;ve a much pleasanter method of my own.\u201d \u201cYou&#8217;re surely not like Hermaphroditus,\u201d said I, \u201cequipped both as a man and a woman, as many people are said to be?\u201d for I still didn&#8217;t know, Klonarion, what it was all about. But she said, \u201cNo, Leaena, I&#8217;m all man.\u201d \u201cWell,\u201d I said, \u201cI&#8217;ve heard the Boeotian flute-girl, Ismenodora, repeating tales she&#8217;d heard at home, and telling us how someone at Thebes had turned from woman to man, someone who was also an excellent soothsayer, and was, I think, called Tiresias. That didn&#8217;t happen to you, did it?\u201d \u201cNo Leaena,\u201d she said, \u201cI was born a woman like the rest of you, but I have the mind and the desires and everything else of a man.\u201d \u201cAnd don&#8217;t you find these desires enough,\u201d said I? \u201cIf you don&#8217;t believe me Leaena,\u201d said she, \u201cjust give me a chance, and you&#8217;ll find I&#8217;m as good as any man; I have a substitute of my own. Only give me a chance, and you&#8217;ll see.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-de2f9ac1d984bb56110468ddd5194e74 wp-block-paragraph\">Well I did, my dear, because she begged so hard and presented me with a costly necklace, and a very fine linen dress. Then I threw my arms around her as though she were a man, and she went to work kissing me, and panting, and apparently enjoying herself immensely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b1d168eafca7a6746135699ea07ab20d wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Klonarion:<\/strong> What did she do? How? That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m most interested to hear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-56e1356ccdeb304b8c11201bc1be76ee wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Leaena:<\/strong> Don&#8217;t enquire too closely into the details; they&#8217;re not very nice; so, by Aphrodite in heaven, I won&#8217;t tell you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-fe0a7de2 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support The Channel On Patreon<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"chapter-iv-geez-where-do-we-even-start-with-this-one\"><strong>Chapter IV: Geez Where Do We Even Start With This One?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b4909131df5764369d2db4368828663b wp-block-paragraph\">Hoo boy is there a lot to pick through there. I mean geez, where do I even start? Is your brain bristling with the possibilities here?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d15f36c7fbbb5675f46de1be10d4eec7 wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah, mine too. We&#8217;re gonna dig deeper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d5de7e827188b5f1005ebdf36493f4cf wp-block-paragraph\">To start, it&#8217;s important to keep in mind this isn&#8217;t a historical text. I mean, it is, in that it&#8217;s old, but it&#8217;s not a work of history. It&#8217;s fiction. So what we&#8217;re doing today is just as much literary analysis as it is history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8174c6a1011eff6b61c47312cf23d659 wp-block-paragraph\">Let&#8217;s take a moment to consider Lucian&#8217;s intent with these characters, and how the audience he wrote for would have interpreted them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2e95770a13b106abbb12c71873aab6b3 wp-block-paragraph\">The fact that both Leaena and Klonarion refer to Megillus and Demonassa as \u201cLesbians\u201d doesn&#8217;t quite mean what you think it means. Lesbos is an island in the Aegean sea, just south of Mt. Ida if you remember that from the Hermaphroditus video. People who live on the island are called Lesbians, regardless of their sexuality, and so are their exports. The island has a long history of winemaking in particular, and Lesbian wine was highly sought after in the ancient world. It still is today, though they seem to call it Lesbos wine now, for reasons I can&#8217;t possibly imagine, if I found Lesbian wine on the shelves at the liquor store, I&#8217;d probably bring a case of it home with me. Even the island is often just called Mytilene today, after its largest city, in one of the biggest collective \u201cno homos\u201d I&#8217;ve ever seen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-47433ed8cba983e957658cd5d4ca2af0 wp-block-paragraph\">But okay. Lesbian in this context means somebody from Lesbos. But the fact that Lucian made Megillus a Lesbian was more than just a coincidence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ac08a5697f42e5e053794561dddb754f wp-block-paragraph\">That&#8217;s because Lesbos is where the poet Sappho was from, and if you&#8217;re gay yourself you probably know where this is going. But if not, that&#8217;s okay, I might have a few heteros in the audience here, that&#8217;s cool. You&#8217;re still welcome here, you need only bring a curious mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-34259813649828901bcad5285935135e wp-block-paragraph\">Sappho was a poet who lived during the 7<sup>th<\/sup> and 6<sup>th<\/sup> centuries BCE \u2013 so, after Homer, but before the Athenian golden age writers like Aristophanes, Xenophon, Plato, and the other guys we mentioned earlier. She wrote a lot of poetry about how much she loved women, and I mean, mood. That&#8217;s why we call erotic feelings between women sapphic, and women who are into women, you guessed it, lesbians.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b6dc85c96727f1d96c0280137dc6bb0a wp-block-paragraph\">This was well known in Lucian&#8217;s time as well. So it&#8217;s not a coincidence that he made Megillus from Lesbos \u2013 we&#8217;re supposed to view him as a lesbian, in both senses of the word. That&#8217;s why even after he repeatedly insists he&#8217;s a man, Leaena and Klonarion continue to refer to him as a woman named Megilla. In fact, even when Leaena refers to Megillus as \u201cmannish\u201d &#8211; \u03ac\u03bd\u03b4\u03c1\u03b9\u03ba\u03cc\u03c2 or andrikos \u2013 she uses a feminine ending to the word.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-edb18befd6c106976d20329698761755 wp-block-paragraph\">Now I understand he\/him lesbians are a thing, I want to take a moment to acknowledge that, but just know that that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s going on here, at least from an ancient perspective.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b32c9057b251000303ef250a2d9bfe40 wp-block-paragraph\">But as the dialogue goes on, we start to realize how confused both Leaena and Klonarion are by the whole thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-3c076b969294cb64da636d94684e6d61 wp-block-paragraph\">First, Leaena says Megillus was \u201cterribly like a man,\u201d and Klonarion&#8217;s only frame of reference for this is to ask if he&#8217;s a hetairistra, which as we mentioned in the video on gender transgression in early Christianity was a term used to refer to gay women.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-96fbf8aa6dad131900880f26c596ca86 wp-block-paragraph\">But Megillus makes it clear that he&#8217;s a man. He tells them in several different ways too, he&#8217;s not subtle about it. But even after he says \u201cdon&#8217;t make a woman out of me, my name is Megillus,\u201d still, Leaena and Klonarion don&#8217;t seem to clue into it. Leaena then asks three different mythological questions to try to understand what Megillus&#8217; deal is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-afff7836a6e865b7fce65d58bbb0a040 wp-block-paragraph\">These questions can help us understand how the ancient Greeks looked at gender transgression in general, so let&#8217;s take a closer look.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"question-i-is-he-like-achilles\"><strong>Question I: Is He Like Achilles?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-507d605103cc6d58f22a5240316d2309 wp-block-paragraph\">Then, unknown to us, Megillus, you were a man all the time, just as they say Achilles once hid among the girls, and you have everything that a man has, and can play the part of a man to Demonassa?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-bb7169405f77cc78154bc2f24e940dc6 wp-block-paragraph\">That&#8217;s Leaena&#8217;s first question. What&#8217;s she referring to here?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fa9dd5af3da5de65787d2f36fe30888e wp-block-paragraph\">Most of us know Achilles as that guy with the weak heel who dies at the end of the Trojan War (spoiler alert), and we tend to think of the Iliad as being the story of the Trojan War. But the Trojan War was ten years long, and the Iliad actually starts 9 years into the war, and at the end of it, the war is still going and Achilles is still alive. It&#8217;s hard to figure out exactly how long the Iliad is supposed to be, but most scholars agree it was somewhere around a couple of months. So it&#8217;s really just a brief snapshot of the war. We&#8217;re told about Achilles&#8217; death in other sources, and there are plenty of myths that start before the Iliad as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a6ea90ab22fde04cf6b8de18c66ba3f1 wp-block-paragraph\">Leaena is referring in particular to Achilles&#8217; time on Skyros, a Greek island northeast of Athens. The most detailed account of this myth we have is in the <em>Achilleid, <\/em>an unfinished epic poem by the Roman writer Statius, who wrote during the second half of the 1<sup>st<\/sup> century CE, during the reign of the emperor Domitian, though the story is absolutely older than that. It seems like Statius didn&#8217;t get far in writing this one \u2013 what we have today is the first book, and the beginning of the second book. That&#8217;s a real shame, since this could have been a great resource for the myths of Achilles. Alas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e20a0e760adfa2ba13a72b3fec02d3fa wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, as the myth goes, Achilles was prophesied to die in the Trojan War, and his mother, the nymph Thetis, didn&#8217;t want that to happen. So she disguised him as a girl and took him to Skyros, where she told the king that Achilles was her daughter, who&#8217;d been raised among the Amazons and needed to learn how to act like a woman by being around more civilized women. So Achilles lived as a girl on Skyros for a time, but it was also prophesied that the Greeks couldn&#8217;t win the Trojan War without Achilles, so Odysseus was sent to find him. He tracked Achilles down to Skyros, made it seem like the island was under attack, and Achilles sprung to action to defend his friends. That made it obvious who he was, so Odysseus left with him to sail to Troy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9ec68e331608b80a1ff0debca0c3a473 wp-block-paragraph\">If you&#8217;re thinking that story sounds pretty gender, yeah there&#8217;s a lot to read into here. If you wanted, you could have a lot of fun playing with this story, which is exactly what author Maya Deane did with her novel Wrath Goddess Sing. It&#8217;s a re-imagining of the story of Achilles not as a boy in disguise hiding among girls, but as a transgender woman, gone to live in a place where girls like her were safe, where they had various herbs and medicines to stave off testosterone driven puberty. How does this change the tale of Achilles? How will the gods, ever present and interfering in Achilles&#8217; life throughout mythology, affect her in this tale? Will she fight at Troy anyway? And how do Odysseus, Agamemnon, Hector, Helen, and the other Greek and Trojan heroes play into this re-imagining? It&#8217;s worth finding out. This isn&#8217;t a sponsored ad or anything, though Maya did send me my copy of the book. I just think if you like this channel, you&#8217;ll like this book as well. Link in the description if you want to get your hands on a copy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-585b3a13ff7fbdf3619c3e4e311e3f00 wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, back to Megillus. Is that the case with him? Was he like Achilles?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f6e57632c2b5bd30a7899341f4bf3f86 wp-block-paragraph\">I haven&#8217;t got what you mean. I don&#8217;t need it at all. You&#8217;ll find I&#8217;ve a much pleasanter method of my own.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c2f908daff017c12e8206d548db9956f wp-block-paragraph\">The allusion to Achilles represents gender in response to material circumstances. Achilles was a man (unless you ask Maya Deane, of course) who was faced with a choice. Either he could play the role of a woman, or he could go off to war and die. He didn&#8217;t want to die, so the choice was obvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-81e71671eacb87f9b47de75d8b28ef66 wp-block-paragraph\">So no, Megillus was not a man forced to hide among women in disguise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"question-ii-is-he-like-hermaphroditus\"><strong>Question II: Is He Like Hermaphroditus?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9d2b75e36dc9315677ea82078a92b770 wp-block-paragraph\">You&#8217;re surely not like Hermaphroditus, equipped both as a man and a woman, as many people are said to be?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-27f2de47f92bcf124510c9a37073de84 wp-block-paragraph\">Leaena&#8217;s second question is talking, of course, about Hermaphroditus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2cc9048d2e2893492813dace58875c64 wp-block-paragraph\">And like most myths, the details around the story of Hermaphroditus vary. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9b97047b6e019dc8e2ca0dae204b238e wp-block-paragraph\">In some stories, Hermaphroditus is a boy fused with the nymph Salmacis by the gods, becoming, as Ovid says, \u201cnot a man or a woman, but neither, and yet both.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-28984f8a95100f879e31e8fc34079a35 wp-block-paragraph\">In others, Hermaphroditus is born as essentially an intersex deity. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4d26b3970272a3527b3f73acb6a9bfc6 wp-block-paragraph\">Lucian knew about the Hermaphroditus myth, since he talks about them in another of his dialogues. But he seems to have written Leaena as someone who didn&#8217;t know the specifics of the myth, just that those like Hermaphroditus are \u201cequipped both as a man and a woman.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2997de2de6188c49cc0a48527487e1dc wp-block-paragraph\">There&#8217;s obviously a lot more to say about Hermaphroditus. In fact, there&#8217;s an entire video on Hermaphroditus already, on this channel. For more details, check it out. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0f30e7facaf9dce85d064bd4682f22c9 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/transgender-mythology\/\">Transgender Mythology<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8b26b504817e471149435dcdffa17b2a wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/myths-of-hermaphroditus-transgender\/\">The Myths of Hermaphroditus<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-86b8507275f68b7056cc091ea947d502 wp-block-paragraph\">So, is Megillus like Hermaphroditus?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-847d3706047c2348f729faaa90dc53be wp-block-paragraph\">No, Leaena, I&#8217;m all man.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-be62b89d0f1c913dd90316e4576c311c wp-block-paragraph\">Hermaphroditus, in this regard, represents nature. Not nature as in like, a fertility symbol, but more anatomically.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cd921a3c9bfb60c0cc28a73fccc2760e wp-block-paragraph\">But that&#8217;s not Megillus either. He doesn&#8217;t have intersex anatomy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"question-iii-is-he-like-teiresias\"><strong>Question III: Is He Like Teiresias?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2d6deefe24cb69db8847daa40a6850a2 wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWell, I&#8217;ve heard the Boeotian flute girl, Ismenodora, repeating tales she&#8217;d heard at home, and telling us how someone at Thebes had turned from woman to man, someone who was also an excellent soothsayer, and was, I think, called Teiresias. That didn&#8217;t happen to you, did it?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a231b63f882666feaad6a8fac14e825c wp-block-paragraph\">I love how much she&#8217;s reaching at this point. It&#8217;s like, okay well I heard once that somebody told me they heard from this guy that a girl got turned into a guy, or something like that, maybe? Real Herodotus moment here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b5f827001d9feb57175c165863b0a2dd wp-block-paragraph\">Now, I knew at some point we were going to talk about Teiresias on this channel, because their story is full of gender.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-97f208743c009e246051247f0959d565 wp-block-paragraph\">Teiresias is one of those mythological characters who shows up all over the place. They&#8217;re in Sophocles&#8217; plays Oedipus Rex and Antigone, in Euripides&#8217; Bacchae, in the Odyssey, in Hesiod&#8217;s works, and of course, in Ovid&#8217;s Metamorphoses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a0cca40345d02e51a6ada1528f9573c8 wp-block-paragraph\">Like most mythological stories, there are plenty of accounts, and most of them are contradictory, but we&#8217;re going to focus on one particular part of Teiresias&#8217; story, for reasons that are about to become pretty obvious.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b54efc993697ce4db5c91893f0ad4b36 wp-block-paragraph\">Teiresias was the son of a shepherd and the nymph Chariclo. At some point, he was out for a walk, where he came upon a pair of snakes doing it. I guess he was a bit of a prude, so he smacked them with his stick. This turned him into a woman. She then went off to live her life, even marrying a man and having children with him. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-08c16a01eacf448c65c888412c0fc05a wp-block-paragraph\">Seven years later, she was out for a walk in the same area, and found the same two snakes doing it. Depending on who you read, she smacked them again, left them alone, or stomped on them, and whatever it was she did, this turned her back into a man, which is how he lived the rest of his life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-beaec49e4903f9e4427fac0ca4b75898 wp-block-paragraph\">There&#8217;s a lot more to dig into with Teiresias \u2013 maybe we&#8217;ll take a look later. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c309b651f88988e47a662c670a467b58 wp-block-paragraph\">EDIT: we already did! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e480ec2651858f029ed12b608c2fa669 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RELATED: <a href=\"\/transgender-wisdom-the-myths-of-teiresias\/\">Transgender Wisdom: The Myths of Teiresias<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b8f7d204365ca730545f2ab1fe702904 wp-block-paragraph\">But the moral of the story is that if you&#8217;re having trouble building up the gumption to start your transition, bring a stick with you the next time you go for a walk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-bc6c914ed2eafce3e26da199544b2d3a wp-block-paragraph\">So Leaena&#8217;s last idea, if he&#8217;s not a man disguised as a woman like Achilles and he&#8217;s not intersex like Hermaphroditus, is to wonder if it&#8217;s divine intervention. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-95c7ab6a950a65f0ace982237ef3b227 wp-block-paragraph\">Did the gods transform Megillus?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a2c48b88101f9775066a829887d53a25 wp-block-paragraph\">And finally, Megillus is clear on the matter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a7a3076818ee53596a3aa4edd9f7a337 wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI was born a woman like the rest of you, but I have the mind and the desires and everything else of a man.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"chapter-v-and-thats-pretty-clear-isnt-it\"><strong>Chapter V: And That&#8217;s Pretty Clear, Isn&#8217;t It?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-46e8a510639c0c183723c97fe187b7e9 wp-block-paragraph\">Even if we recognize it isn&#8217;t terribly affirming from a more modern understanding of gender, how could we read Megillus at this point as anything other than a transgender man?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4a0af9247e41eef6fd9a6afb14db43fe wp-block-paragraph\">But there are other complications.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0faacfabbc442448f7e981164b04ffe5 wp-block-paragraph\">When Megillus first meets Leaena at a party, he&#8217;s wearing a wig and presenting as a woman. And it&#8217;s not just any wig, either \u2013 it&#8217;s a particularly convincing one. He takes the wig off when the three of them are in bed together, and at that point he reveals his shaved head and starts calling himself a man.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1b6d872ef246b6c5722bd61e15e31831 wp-block-paragraph\">In other words, he&#8217;s a lady in the streets, and a man in the sheets.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-38e4e049ddf7d88f7f8bd84dec14172e wp-block-paragraph\">So, what&#8217;s going on here?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-72598d13449bfe9e46ff94e5c34314fd wp-block-paragraph\">As we talked about before, Lucian was a satirist. And the type of characters we see in new comedy are based on stereotypical stock characters, or caricatures of the type of people you&#8217;d meet in Athenian society. Leaena and Klonarion both serve as caricatures of gossipy women, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b2f94d716e384f0601b3a7474519cd25 wp-block-paragraph\">But what about Megillus? Is he a caricature?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cfb84b75e7c31b3200031af9944dd508 wp-block-paragraph\">For that to be the case, we&#8217;d have to look at what he might be a caricature <em>of<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-04be5616670db6a2b38717c1ff5f8065 wp-block-paragraph\">So, let&#8217;s do that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"is-he-a-caricature-of-lesbians\"><strong>Is He A Caricature Of Lesbians?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a444576af69098fb5970f0be2c31e555 wp-block-paragraph\">That is, the sexuality lesbian, not the island Lesbian.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-64def42e58385e4ad7d132b40d34a507 wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s tempting to look at it that way. After all, in the modern world we do have a stereotype of lesbians as being more masculine \u2013 even though that&#8217;s obviously far from universal. You might think that&#8217;s a cishet stereotype, but it&#8217;s true even among queers. The more masculine a woman looks, the more likely one is to assume she&#8217;s gay, to the point where even cis femme lesbians are often assumed to be straight girl tourists in Sapphic spaces.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a29a49783a11d0a3231e459d894b2cd8 wp-block-paragraph\">But alright, was that stereotype the case in the ancient world?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ddc53f8d49330491ce861eb17f1a936d wp-block-paragraph\">To answer this question, we&#8217;d have to understand what the general Greco-Roman attitude was toward lesbians. After all, to understand satire, we need to understand the source material satire is satirizing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cc4e08a942146ffabfc314554c68c639 wp-block-paragraph\">You&#8217;re not really going to understand <a href=\"https:\/\/screenrant.com\/galaxy-quest-movie-review\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">what makes Galaxy Quest great<\/a> if you don&#8217;t understand Star Trek, y&#8217;know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8f216e886040df1f42665500b5792155 wp-block-paragraph\">So let&#8217;s look at the representations we have of lesbians in the ancient world, with a specific eye to trying to piece together some sort of stereotype.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0568141bbd65a07f00c539e02f8a10c7 wp-block-paragraph\">Unfortunately, there isn&#8217;t much. Scholar K.J. Dover&#8217;s book Greek Homosexuality is around 200 pages long, and the section on gay women fills barely a dozen pages. That tells us just how few sources there are on the subject \u2013 and to be fair, K.J. Dover does acknowledge this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-73e1a8fd40b309b6c93f526866b4d4ea wp-block-paragraph\">But okay, what do we have to work with?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-de945b43f13b001a9c3d04745384beeb wp-block-paragraph\">Plato does mention women who love women in the Symposium, when exploring his absolutely wild theory of how the genders arose, which I&#8217;m not going to fully get into here even though it&#8217;s a lot of fun to pick through.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9202727a9e45106b904c4939b5b1605c wp-block-paragraph\">But the short version is that originally, humans were sphere shaped. We had four arms, four legs, and two faces on a single head, with four ears. There were also two sets of sex organs, and everything else. The spheres walked upright, and when they ran they did cartwheels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-09a02011bca01a813f6e6f3bdf339527 wp-block-paragraph\">There were three different types of these spheres &#8211; male, female, and androgynous. The male ones were male on both sides, same with the female. But the androgynous ones were male on one side, female on the other.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5e5b732b453ee68184fece3093299ddf wp-block-paragraph\">The spheres angered the gods by trying to conquer them, so the gods punished them by cutting them all in half, which is how we got anatomically modern humans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d622f0af5ce4215c76d642c6ddf244aa wp-block-paragraph\">That&#8217;s why we love each other \u2013 we&#8217;re seeking to be whole once again. But we still have memory of our original forms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6e8dcc8cfad1b14936ce8251424543fc wp-block-paragraph\">So, if there were a stereotype of lesbians being masculine, it would make sense for Plato to describe lesbians as having been the ones that came from the androgynous spheres. But the opposite is actually true. He says, quote:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e32e2f80243907420d686d1f7e34553b wp-block-paragraph\">[T]he women who are a section of the women do not care for men, but have female attachments: the female companions are of this sort.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-83786212a8d3469e44c24323aa62c49e wp-block-paragraph\">So, women who are half of a female sphere are the ones into other women. They&#8217;ve got no masculinity in them at all. So, that one&#8217;s out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5e70b5726d9b7f04a007ca6955031cdb wp-block-paragraph\">We also have descriptions of lady love in Sappho, and I mean I could sit here all day and recite the gayest poetry the ancient Mediterranean has to offer, but then we&#8217;d really get off the rails. The point is, nothing seems masculine about Sappho&#8217;s love for women. It just seems like sapphic longing, and I guess that&#8217;s why we call it sapphic longing, huh?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d18710ef49203d8a223b0750e9b3eda8 wp-block-paragraph\">What else?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-258afe68990a7f893dbdc8cc9b045b65 wp-block-paragraph\">We&#8217;ve got the poet Alcman as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9b9e52c8adbd187cdff74f4d97741f86 wp-block-paragraph\">Alcman lived during the 7<sup>th<\/sup> century BCE, so roughly contemporary with Sappho, though they almost certainly never encountered each other. That&#8217;s because Alcman lived in Sparta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4a3cc4050ef4e2728e7c5457e0ae7215 wp-block-paragraph\">Now, when we think of Sparta, we think of the highly militaristic, martial, fascist state where if you&#8217;re a boy, you&#8217;ll grow up to be a soldier, and if you&#8217;re a girl, you&#8217;ll grow up to marry a soldier who spends most of his time in the barracks fucking other men while you stay home, raise his kids, and work out with the other women in town. After all, two strong parents will have strong children, right? So Sparta didn&#8217;t exactly prioritize intellectual pursuits the way the Athenians did. It <em>does<\/em> seem that Spartan boys were taught to read and write, but they weren&#8217;t exactly cranking out the literary hits.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4ed19eb8106556e9d65d38979a9662f4 wp-block-paragraph\">As a result, most of what we know about classical Sparta comes from writings from their contemporaries \u2013 mostly Athenians. Alcman is one of the rare exceptions &#8211; he&#8217;s actually a Spartan writer, though he probably wasn&#8217;t born there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cb7c47e9ae6885b31cae1c2f511a9407 wp-block-paragraph\">But for the purposes of finding an ancient stereotype of masculine gay women, his descriptions don&#8217;t give us much to go on here either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-3204dfb8bc22c5ca56c5b777880e43b8 wp-block-paragraph\">What else?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2f692d6db0c57f7348a10c6412a64ee1 wp-block-paragraph\">Well, we&#8217;ve got the poet Martial, who was actually a Roman. He lived in the Roman province Hispania, modern day Spain, and wrote during the first and second centuries CE. He was known for his satirical epigrams, and in particular he had a couple of epigrams that mention a masculine gay woman, or so I&#8217;m told, but every copy of his works I find just didn&#8217;t translate those sections.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2e000284a4f67ffb3e2e63aa952b0cb5 wp-block-paragraph\">A million years ago I made the very first video on this channel, the introduction to my historical approach here, and one of the reasons for why there&#8217;s not that much evidence for queer history is because of deliberate erasure from the historical record, and this is what I&#8217;m talking about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b743a09d2b795b2f7641ebd737d12c88 wp-block-paragraph\">The whole thing is translated into English, except for the dirty bits. Imagine you&#8217;re reading through your copy of Martial&#8217;s works in translation, and all of a sudden you come upon IPSARVM TRIBADVM TRIBAS, PHILAENI, RECTE, QVAM FVTVIS, VOCAS AMICAM.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a6f6feaf57bbca7c2afcddb3df2c5bc3 wp-block-paragraph\">What am I supposed to do with that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fc02e04a922b304a6fe912e40603c701 wp-block-paragraph\">I mean, I can do something with that, because I do know a bit of Latin, although I&#8217;m pretty rusty. But it turns out I&#8217;m going to have to do something about it, because I&#8217;ve looked all over the internet, and haven&#8217;t found a copy of Martial&#8217;s works with those particular sections translated. And I&#8217;m not gonna buy a copy, wait a week for it to arrive, and then find out it&#8217;s bowdlerized too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b626f80c3a3f29dd18a6c8b878a0e3f7 wp-block-paragraph\">So I guess I&#8217;ve gotta do this myself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e78286c3c467b2fc8ab865f84a28e344 wp-block-paragraph\">There are two of them, both in Book 7. There&#8217;s epigram 67, and epigram 70.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-137ae82f71e0cde8c8cc2f05ae203bdd wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s been a LONG while since I&#8217;ve done any direct Latin translation, and I&#8217;m almost certainly going to screw this up, but I&#8217;m going to do my best.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color has-large-font-size wp-elements-28d3396a1585d387a1dc274bc508b3f7 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>*ONE HOUR LATER*<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1e4b348fad07d471bb1bec761b9655f6 wp-block-paragraph\">Okay, so here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve got. A localization of epigram 70 might read something like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d4fd42751628b82b69304268cced7e84 wp-block-paragraph\">Dykiest of the very dykes, Philaenis, it is correct for you to call the girl you f*ck your girlfriend.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-50c34b09bd6da91d3939fa920fb9ebdb wp-block-paragraph\">Okay, neato.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1b59a496abf82a4c5bfcca5fe8eaeb72 wp-block-paragraph\">The word <em>tribas <\/em>comes from the Greek verb \u201cto rub\u201d, and today it gives us the word tribadism, a more polite word to describe scissoring, in the same way that fellatio is a more polite way to describe sucking c*ck. And uhh okay, awesome.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-33ef84fac44f8385236f8c1bc3e1eb35 wp-block-paragraph\">So I translated epigram 70 before I even looked at epigram 67, and I mean translating one sentence is one thing, but look at this whopper:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e99a27b85a8d29f7bc8a35e1465588d0 wp-block-paragraph\">PEDICAS PVEROS TRIBAS PHILAENIS ET TENTIGINE SAEVIOR MARITI VNDENAS DOLAT IN DIE PVELLAS. HARPASTO QVOQVE SVBLIGATA LVDIT ET FLAVESCIT HAPHE, GRAVESQVE DRAVCIS HALTERAS FACILI ROTAT LACERTO, ET PVTRI LVTVLENTA DE PALAESTRA VNCTI VERBERE VAPVLAT MAGISTRI: NEC VENAT PRIVS AVT RECVMBIT ANTE QVAN SEPTEM VOMVIT MEROS DEVNCES; AD QVOS FAS SIBI TVNC PVTAT REDIRE, CVM COLOEPHIA SEDECIMCOMEDIT. POST HAEC OMNIA CVM LIVIDINATVR, NON FELLAT (PVTAT HOC PARVM VIRILE), SED PLANE MEDIAS VORAT PVELLAS. DI MENTEM TIBI DENT TVAM, PHILAENI, CVNNVM LINGERE QVAE PVTAS VIRILE<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b4e965c9e3ae6040034d2b0e65ae6b1c wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>sigh<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-799c58850661c27eb0175db36c12a1bd wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, it took me about an hour to translate the first sentence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b511018495059733e02b939ecb06a82f wp-block-paragraph\">Philaenis the dyke f*cks boys in the *ss, and, more ferociously than any husband, rails eleven girls a day.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9747208ef1cddeb88f0b781ef063b4e8 wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;d love to translate the whole thing, because that sounds awesome, but I&#8217;m BAD at this, so I started searching again and actually did track down a translation of epigram 67. Here it is, but with my first line preserved because gosh damn it I put too much work into it:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0611189f8cb9d58cbcab3d2f3d007306 wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Today on, Great Works Of Ancient Literature<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-360e13e96c7d81eba0b787f1b5e2597c wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Philaenis the dyke f*cks boys in the *ss, and, more ferociously than any husband, rails eleven girls a day.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6940d710a09fe02d007e4064f695997c wp-block-paragraph\"><em>With her clothes hoisted up, she also plays ball and, rubbing her body down with sand, from a confident arm swings weights that studs would find heavy. Now, filthy from the dusty palaestra, she takes the beatings of a well oiled gymnastics master.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9f39993c17f5ed282a9da4f70abed8de wp-block-paragraph\"><em>She doesn&#8217;t recline or eat until she&#8217;s vomited three litres of wine, and thinks she can carry on this way after wolfing down sixteen meatballs. Then, when she&#8217;s horny, she doesn&#8217;t s*ck c*cks \u2013 not manly enough, she thinks \u2013 but greedily devours young girls&#8217; groins. May the gods bring you to your senses, Philaenis, you who believe it manly to lick s**tch!<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f1fe01eafbfcfd01e07f8475dd2bcfba wp-block-paragraph\">Both of these are about a woman named Philaenis, who clearly GETS IT.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-73da1160bdf6a53dab31646c13e283a6 wp-block-paragraph\">Unfortunately this opens up YET ANOTHER side path to go down to understand this. I really do try to streamline these videos as much as possible, not only to keep it from getting too off the rails, but also because it&#8217;s a lot easier for me. Right now this script is 34 pages long and I&#8217;ve still got a lot to do. But there&#8217;s so much background knowledge to cover that I really can&#8217;t avoid it. I&#8217;m writing this stuff not for my fellow classicists, but for my fellow trans people, and most of y&#8217;all are probably not both.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a425dd6010bb5dd9ea7313f32ab23309 wp-block-paragraph\">Damn it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-76875083ad8ae30afa7ee7e2fa3bab69 wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, Philaenis!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d09a8fd80a81c297da51a0d7c5929f95 wp-block-paragraph\">We don&#8217;t know much about Philaenis. We don&#8217;t even know if she was a real person. If she was, her father was named Ocymenes, and she was from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.britannica.com\/place\/Samos-island-Greece\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Samos<\/a>, an island south of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.britannica.com\/place\/Lesbos-island-Greece\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Lesbos<\/a>, which was known for its prostitution. And she wrote a famous manual on sex that described a bunch of different positions, which unfortunately doesn&#8217;t survive today outside of a couple of fragments. She&#8217;s mentioned in several ancient sources, including some early Christian writers who hated her work. Remember Justin Martyr? Yeah he wasn&#8217;t a fan. Shocking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-79d16b835ff1a30754fca4534067ca5b wp-block-paragraph\">Whatever Justin, go cut off your junk and stop judging me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fa993665c92a7a5499a55ee2ae434388 wp-block-paragraph\">Most scholars agree today that she probably wasn&#8217;t a real person, but rather a persona. If you were an erotic writer in the ancient world, you might publish your work under the name Philaenis. But whether or not that&#8217;s true, she&#8217;s <em>definitely <\/em>not a real person in Martial&#8217;s epigrams, she&#8217;s a caricature. That&#8217;s because Martial was a satirical writer too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a721d83cfbc7b957afbba5f8161ca9d2 wp-block-paragraph\">This isn&#8217;t a single character, it&#8217;s important to mention. Each of these epigrams is self contained, and she shows up in other epigrams too. In one of them, she&#8217;s actually dead. But clearly she&#8217;s very very manly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b4f4c004e658dc49790fc854a44903af wp-block-paragraph\">But first of all, Martial was a Roman, and Lucian was a Greek. Yes, he lived during Roman rule of Greece, but they still had their own distinct culture that set them apart from the Romans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-613914bf3bb5d09313afcfe87f2ef28f wp-block-paragraph\">Also, the portrayal of Philaenis is very different from Megillus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f7c0e856ffa8640c31c6fc1667c6b671 wp-block-paragraph\">Philaenis bangs nonstop, and Megillus might hire prostitutes, but he&#8217;s also married.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1c3b8c6f3c69c28c1ba829e607578041 wp-block-paragraph\">Philaenis likes guys and girls, and Megillus is only shown with women.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8777f6921ca462be4dd711de6d9cab8b wp-block-paragraph\">Philaenis is ravenous and insatiable, and Megillus seems more measured in his sexuality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a401075f9ccd7bb44a97a170e528be2f wp-block-paragraph\">Philaenis is always masculine, but Megillus is only so in bed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-60467364b9d068ad6fe4f87b74c08274 wp-block-paragraph\">So it might be the closest parallel, but it&#8217;s still worlds apart.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c60059c3512a67bb9e1596174e1f7545 wp-block-paragraph\">And it doesn&#8217;t negate Plato, or Sappho, or Alcman. It means there&#8217;s essentially no consistent stereotype of gay women from what we can tell, let alone one where they&#8217;re particularly masculine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-694286ce8886f63411e51d41b5888f1e wp-block-paragraph\">That might have been deliberate, though.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-41a00908e1acbfa2413420c78af30ec2 wp-block-paragraph\">In the book Greek Homosexuality mentioned earlier, author K.J. Dover wonders if we have so few sources on gay women because most of our surviving writers are men, and men felt anxiety around women being into each other. There were, after all, some taboo subjects that satirists didn&#8217;t touch. The plague of 430 BCE is one of them, for example, and I think after living through this decade so far we can all understand why that might be the case. Maybe female homosexuality was a taboo as well?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e7c5b18de26ffd86211e1c7ab8e9ce66 wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s hard to say. But the reality is, other than these few literary examples, and some pottery showing gay women doing their thing, there isn&#8217;t much in the way of female homosexuality represented in classical art one way or another. And what <em>is <\/em>there doesn&#8217;t paint a picture of any particular stereotype of gay women at the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0f12f078ba25dce243166c266b9969e0 wp-block-paragraph\">So I think it&#8217;s safe to say we can toss this one out. Megillus was probably not a caricature of a lesbian.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-fe0a7de2 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support The Channel On Patreon<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"is-he-a-caricature-of-a-lesbian\"><strong>Is He A Caricature Of A Lesbian?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8d3ff02740ae40e0a4144595c66a03c5 wp-block-paragraph\">That is, the island Lesbian, not the sexuality lesbian.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-020d3714e14c8152d2e1daa4926a2150 wp-block-paragraph\">This one is actually more likely. The Greeks did have certain stereotypes associated with different cities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c21a2c44af081473369914a8798ad3de wp-block-paragraph\">The Spartans, for example, were assumed to be&#8230; well, not the sharpest spears in the armoury. Various translators of plays with Spartan characters have tried to reproduce this attitude over the years by playing on modern prejudices, which is uhhhhhhhhh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c97dff2b9777795c7e0f048929cd9fc6 wp-block-paragraph\">Pick up a translation of Aristophanes&#8217; Lysistrata, and try to guess what sort of accent the Spartan woman Lampito will have to convey that she&#8217;s provincial, and less refined. In this one, she&#8217;s Scottish, but I&#8217;ve seen a Southern US accent used as well. Yikes&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a6fe6aed2298284adcc221bee605804e wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, the Spartans weren&#8217;t stupid. But they also didn&#8217;t value things like poetry or rhetoric very highly \u2013 they were a society of soldiers. But if Plutarch is to be believed, some of the things they&#8217;re reported to have said over the years are pretty clever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-35ca81e72679f6ac30b814864f2f46c2 wp-block-paragraph\">Plutarch, like Lucian, was a Greek who lived during Roman rule of the area. He was born in the year 45 CE \u2013 during the reign of the emperor Claudius \u2013 was made consul by Trajan, the highest rank in Roman society other than emperor \u2013 and died in 120 CE, during the reign of Hadrian. One of his works is a collection of essays, Moralia, and in them he records some of the particularly clever things Spartans have said over the years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0d2e627aae19b55222d15daa76c53ecb wp-block-paragraph\">For example, we&#8217;ve all seen the movie 300, I&#8217;m sure. It&#8217;s very dumb in very many ways, but a few of the cleverer lines actually come from Plutarch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a48634a0b4bca717a8d3ab8a20118d36 wp-block-paragraph\">When someone said \u201cbecause of the arrows of the barbarians it is impossible to see the sun\u201d, the Spartan king Leonidas responds with \u201cWon&#8217;t it be nice, then, if we have shade in which to fight them?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b03a8cbb36f0b274a236e5c71e4bb660 wp-block-paragraph\">Everybody loves this one, the Persian king Xerxes wrote a message asking the Spartans to lay down their arms \u2013 the Persians were known for being fairly merciful to people who submitted to their rule \u2013 and Leonidas&#8217; response was the simple \u201cmolon labe\u201d &#8211; come and take them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6d9d243aa80d58a0a74f6bb17aabae73 wp-block-paragraph\">When King Agis III of Sparta was being pestered by somebody who kept asking him who the greatest Spartan was, he replied with \u201cthe one most unlike you.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4b76782b6b842b9f72ff59d61f2de54c wp-block-paragraph\">And this one is my personal favourite \u2013 when Philip of Macedon, Alexander&#8217;s father, was conquering Greece, he sent an envoy to the Spartans asking them to submit to his rule. After all, he was planning to unite Greece, and then from there invade Persia. But the Spartans would have none of it, which frustrated Philip. After some back and forth, he wrote a letter to them saying \u201cIf I invade Laconia (Sparta), I shall turn you out\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2ac7bb9e1f27df9c31e9331fdda8906d wp-block-paragraph\">And the Spartans&#8217; response?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9dfad7e45ab9eca20d71a95c5844ee82 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u201cIf\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-efedf6ca1503d3eca01589d6223de5de wp-block-paragraph\">Gods, I love it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1dff890d970340db234792568a1a09ec wp-block-paragraph\">What do these have in common? They&#8217;re short, punchy, and to the point. That&#8217;s where we get the phrase laconic wit from, in fact, from Laconia, or Lakedamonia, the area around Sparta. I love it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cfd4ec4b3bc5a4ad6e86628308f023cf wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s different from the more elaborate Athenian wit we get from Lucian, but it&#8217;s also not what you&#8217;d expect from a bunch of boneheads banging rocks together.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-95f786cf02d1b6aa371cf4af1e212608 wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, the point is, how the Greeks stereotyped each other wasn&#8217;t much different from how some stereotypes work today \u2013 perhaps a kernel of truth, but filtered through cultural lenses and generalizations to the point of absurdity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0f0d05a89c540c172369d2d2d450672a wp-block-paragraph\">So, we don&#8217;t know where Leaena and Klonarion were from \u2013 they lived in Athens, but if they&#8217;re hetairai, they might have been from somewhere else. There&#8217;s not much to work with there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-62a770400dc7a3cf7412e4227ddcf2df wp-block-paragraph\">But we know Megillus is from Lesbos, and Demonassa <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ascsa.edu.gr\/excavations\/ancient-corinth\/about-the-excavations-1\/history-timeline\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">is from Corinth<\/a> \u2013 and that&#8217;s interesting. Let&#8217;s start with Corinth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-94379910c55f983eaf79b38ff31417a8 wp-block-paragraph\">Athens and Sparta get most of the historical attention, but Corinth was a very important player in the ancient world as well. It&#8217;s right on the Isthmus of Corinth, the only land bridge connecting the Peloponnese with the rest of Greece.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6b11ca29013231bd9543f8abf4ae8716 wp-block-paragraph\">This made it an easily defensible point. We talked a moment ago about the Persian invasion of Greece under Xerxes \u2013 after the battle at Thermopylae, where the THIS IS SPARTA guy died, the Persians pushed further. Euboea, Phocis, Boeotia, and even Athens itself fell to the Persians. But the allied Greeks fortified Corinth, which stopped the Persians from advancing any further. From there, they pushed the Persians out of Greece, back to Asia Minor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f65bb109081c7649b2a9dce6b6236d76 wp-block-paragraph\">The isthmus also made Corinth a very wealthy city. They controlled all land traffic between Athens \u2013 itself a very wealthy city \u2013 and the Peloponnese. So if you were a trader traveling by land, at some point you&#8217;d find yourself passing through Corinth. But they also would have ships drop goods off at their port on the northwestern coast, and transport it by land to the southeastern coast. This meant traders could avoid the treacherous journey all the way around the Peloponnese, so it was well worth the price of admission. There&#8217;s a canal there now today, but in the ancient world that was the best they could do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e138ffa6869c37f8a58489cc9e3a80e0 wp-block-paragraph\">They even had their own distinct type of columns. You know the columns they had on temples? There are actually three different types. Doric, Ionian, and Corinthian. First, Doric columns \u2013 these were used in Sparta, and they&#8217;re so Spartan, aren&#8217;t they? Functional, simple, nothing unnecessary. Laconic architecture, to fit their laconic wit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-47ce73d7644822150e87491dc6b64767 wp-block-paragraph\">Next, Ionian columns \u2013 these were common in Athens, the Greek cities along the coast of Asia Minor, and a lot of the Greek islands. Elegant, balanced, not too elaborate \u2013 suitable for a city of navel gazing philosopher NERDS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-046e6279fb808c6aa6cc711962810824 wp-block-paragraph\">But some people really do go out of their way to show off their wealth \u2013 rolling up to the club in a matte painted Ferrari, neon purple lights glowing beneath it, a gorgeous model on each arm, several gold rings on each finger each with its own precious jewel in it, logos everywhere you can see them, getting bottle service with a thousand dollar bottle of vodka&#8230; if DJ Khaled were a Greek column, he&#8217;d be a Corinthian one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-36126fa2b3de54c4ba3ac3a5caee8e4e wp-block-paragraph\">So, Corinthians had a reputation for being wealthy. But they also had a reputation for their sexual proclivities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e252795b8646ae1bcc825e6dc708efa8 wp-block-paragraph\">Corinth was also the home of a Temple of Aphrodite, where a different type of prostitution than what we looked at earlier went on. This was sacred prostitution.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2626be1d34e9ddd446cdc2e5eb7e6efd wp-block-paragraph\">The Roman geographer Strabo gives us some interesting insight into how this might have worked in Corinth. He tells us, quote:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4e4fe783b836a3ac0a5ef18217bf4ffa wp-block-paragraph\">And the temple of Aphrodite was so rich that it owned more than a thousand temple slaves, courtesans, whom both men and women had dedicated to the goddess. And therefore it was also on account of these women that the city was crowded with people and grew rich; for instance, the ship captains freely squandered their money, and hence the proverb &#8216;not for every man is the voyage to Corinth&#8217;.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-00e0567d9ce323d90ed340bef52cb7a6 wp-block-paragraph\">&#8211; Strabo, Geographia, Book VIII.XX<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0f5e136d415c240a566394a05294e803 wp-block-paragraph\">So not only was Corinth wealthy, but the Corinthian temple prostitutes helped keep wealth in the city by getting visitors \u2013 sea captains, in particular \u2013 to spend their money there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-de363f8282ce52371b991a63f64b3712 wp-block-paragraph\">Now, you may find arguments that this sort of thing never actually existed. Scholar Stephanie Budin, for example, argues that what we know about it was based around misunderstandings \u2013 perhaps deliberate \u2013 of either non-sexual religious practices, or ritualistic sex that wasn&#8217;t paid for. She believes it might even be a result of cultural slander. That&#8217;s worth exploring, but not here, because we&#8217;re talking about how the Greeks stereotyped each other.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7df28859a9161faadce855adb3401b1b wp-block-paragraph\">And from a stereotypical perspective, it&#8217;s clear Corinth was a place known for wealth and sex.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-267cc01b185643722db2a9c209a7dfdc wp-block-paragraph\">That&#8217;s Demonassa&#8217;s entire role in this piece, isn&#8217;t it? She&#8217;s wealthy, and she has sex with Leaena along with Megillus. So this explanation might work for her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2e7ce95cb46fe8d1de076934aac7a566 wp-block-paragraph\">What about Megillus? We&#8217;ve talked about how Lesbians had a stereotype for being lesbians, but is there anything else about Megillus&#8217; depiction that&#8217;s stereotypical of being from Lesbos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-762a7732f8a77c20c3aae660550e74a7 wp-block-paragraph\">People from Lesbos <em>did<\/em> also have a reputation for being sexually adventurous. Clearly that&#8217;s the case with Megillus and Demonassa as well \u2013 they have threesomes with prostitutes, after all. But K.J. Dover suggests that, based on Sappho&#8217;s and Alcman&#8217;s poems, they were known in the archaic period for being able to make each other orgasm just through touching each other. Seems like a useful skill, huh? But I mean, that kind of doesn&#8217;t mesh at all with Megillus, does it? Leaena doesn&#8217;t seem terribly satisfied by her experience. So that flies in the face of that theory.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2aa6b85f958916d95c9a7f84382ec4fb wp-block-paragraph\">Of course, sometimes writers can start with a stereotype, and then subvert it. This is a common thing in sketch comedy, which is the closest modern analog we have to what Lucian was doing here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-26e5288b60c8f3fef42e24d6740f53fa wp-block-paragraph\">But of course a sketch is pretty compressed, so you have to rely on using stock characters to establish a stereotype for a character, before you flip it on its head. Key And Peele are masters of this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f735349de6e0da7a10078ce457190536 wp-block-paragraph\">Take this sketch, for example. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Key and Peele - Genius Plan (720P HD)\" width=\"1290\" height=\"726\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ceijkZQI1HM?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-729b56e3a0412324e060757b242d31f7 wp-block-paragraph\">The camera angles, the lighting, the acting, the dramatic music, it&#8217;s all evocative of a scene you&#8217;ve seen before in a heist movie, even if you can&#8217;t think of exactly where. And because it&#8217;s familiar, your mind automatically fills in a bunch of the details. We don&#8217;t need to know the backstory of these characters for it to be effective. We don&#8217;t even need to know their names. We&#8217;re still told enough for our minds to fill in the blanks. So when Key&#8217;s character describes his big heist plan, you start to realize, along with Peele&#8217;s character, that he&#8217;s just describing getting a job at a bank, your expectations are subverted. This doesn&#8217;t look like the type of guy who would suggest getting a job at a bank, but the fact that we eventually figure out that that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s doing, our reaction mirrors Peele&#8217;s. They subvert what we expect from that scene, and that&#8217;s one of the reasons why it&#8217;s funny.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d1655c6158bcadb550b58d1e1208acf1 wp-block-paragraph\">But it only works because we&#8217;re given a lot of information for it to flip around.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8510a147d2297a017490a515ddbcef0f wp-block-paragraph\">Are we given the same with Megillus? Not really. But it&#8217;s also difficult to suss out what a stereotype of someone from Lesbos might be in the first place. They <em>were <\/em>known for poetry \u2013 two of the Nine Lyric Poets \u2013 Sappho and Alcaeus &#8211; were from Lesbos. This was a group of nine poets that the scholars in Alexandria thought were great. Alcman was also in that group.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ac8e1e3ea95d5d8a5fe4a313eef47fa9 wp-block-paragraph\">But Megillus isn&#8217;t a poet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-41b2e287420c90cc9ee28df0229cde1e wp-block-paragraph\">They were \u2013 and still are \u2013 also known for wine. But although they were at a drinking party, nobody ever mentions the word \u201cwine\u201d at any point. The Greeks&#8217; drink of choice was wine, so you might say it&#8217;s implied that&#8217;s what they were drinking, but that still doesn&#8217;t give us anything from the perspective of painting Megillus as a Lesbos stereotype.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5c86922324364355f4bbb8b1cb5a88b4 wp-block-paragraph\">We <em>could <\/em>say that the fact that he&#8217;s said to be from Lesbos, but really doesn&#8217;t display any traits of somebody from Lesbos, is part of the joke. But Lucian could have done that without making him a man.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-234ef02b7facf7db012215ac13943c9e wp-block-paragraph\">So even if he is a subversion of a caricature of someone from Lesbos, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the whole story.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"is-he-a-caricature-of-a-man\"><strong>Is He A Caricature Of A Man?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0b2c71ebf5fa3beaee4ed96bb9e012b0 wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOkay, you&#8217;re lesbians, but like, which one of you is the man?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c2bcab48a0f4334ecf8a504916f9f5ba wp-block-paragraph\">Megillus, clearly. He says so himself. But men were expected to be the dominant sexual partner, both in Greek and Roman society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c558b21b39cb1ba5d9f758a970804bbe wp-block-paragraph\">But is he a caricature? This is difficult to say.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9391be53218e7d6efe625e3896dd3fa0 wp-block-paragraph\">He does display aspects of masculinity \u2013 he&#8217;s got a shaved head, calls himself a man, and he likes girls. Not that the last part is necessarily masculine, mind you. But those aspects don&#8217;t paint any sort of caricature, not really. There&#8217;s nothing in particular there to satirize.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e96160b7d8a356f5f9fd7813a0cd1f0f wp-block-paragraph\">In fact, Philaenis seems much more of a caricature of masculinity than Megillus does.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-701b9ec2c477093e52340fe5092e77d5 wp-block-paragraph\">There&#8217;s just not a whole lot to say about this one, otherwise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"chapter-vi-so-what-is-he\">Chapter VI: <strong>So, What Is He?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4eefc7d6e2a9c639ee75bd1b922748e6 wp-block-paragraph\">Unlike a lot of other ancient literature that deals with <em>hetairai<\/em>, Lucian gets into their personal lives more. Dialogues Of The Courtesans shows the nastier side of the lives of <em>hetairai <\/em>in some ways. In Dialogue VI, the courtesan is an unwilling participant, forced into the trade after the death of her father. In Dialogue II and XII, the courtesans argue over perceived infidelity. In Dialogue VII, the courtesan catches feelings for one of her clients and keeps him around despite him not paying her anything. And in Dialogue V, Leaena is clearly a reluctant participant in a threesome with Megillus and Demonassa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-bbc707436c9d83d81f98a03af2070ccb wp-block-paragraph\">But AGAIN, Lucian could have accomplished all of that without making Megillus a man.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4172ed9b65086b6f1d2cd9b1784d7c1d wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s also possible that Lucian, being a man in a heavily patriarchal society, would have known nothing about how women had sex with each other, so he had to make it up. And he might have assumed that a man had to be involved somehow, because how could there be sex if there&#8217;s no man? Remember, in Greek, sex was a thing you did, or a thing that was done to you. So how does that work if you&#8217;re both the receiving partner? So he made Megillus a man in bed, but a woman in public life. So perhaps the whole thing was made up just to make Leaena feel uncomfortable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-93d04a442a3302977c2dba663621dac3 wp-block-paragraph\">But even that doesn&#8217;t work, because Megillus doesn&#8217;t act like a top the entire time. Some of the word choices in the original Greek imply that Megillus sometimes takes a passive role in relation to Demonassa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0e513ada1dff484a57b40316def654b1 wp-block-paragraph\">Another argument is that it&#8217;s a reference to philosophical dialogues \u2013 notably, Plato&#8217;s <em>Symposium<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-367ffc46e9ec3b9fb27969b8619aa29d wp-block-paragraph\">Usually, literary dialogues in the ancient world centre the lives of people in power. Plato&#8217;s Symposium is a dialogue between upper class Athenian citizens at a dinner party. Athenaeus&#8217; <em>Deipnosophistae<\/em> has a similar setting. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6e73b02e09ca611c56eefba9e72a5ba5 wp-block-paragraph\">Xenophon&#8217;s <em>Hiero<\/em> is a conversation between the tyrant of Syracuse and a lyric poet, where he says the life of a ruler is no better than that of a commoner. And so on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-129c43db520408795d037225e906b164 wp-block-paragraph\">But Dialogues Of The Courtesans \u2013 well, it&#8217;s in the name isn&#8217;t it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-419749dbddd35789a41da5f98dcc8522 wp-block-paragraph\">At one point, Klonarion refers to Megillus as a <em>hetairistria \u2013 <\/em><em>\u03ad\u03c4\u03ac\u03af\u03c1\u03af\u03c3\u03c4\u03c1\u03af\u03ac<\/em> \u2013 and that word appears nowhere else before this, except in Plato&#8217;s Symposium where Aristophanes is describing the sphere-people we talked about earlier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-37b685abba8dc2295d095ac0b4092966 wp-block-paragraph\">And in another of Plato&#8217;s works \u2013 Laws \u2013 there&#8217;s a character named Megillus, a Spartan. In that text, homosexuality is portrayed as unnatural, as something Spartans did \u2013 not good Athenians (which, lol). And his shaved head and physical fitness might have conjured images of Spartans as well. This ties Megillus into a broader literary tradition, even if there are no direct analogues before him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f829502f4c11b4e4bad0194e183a629e wp-block-paragraph\">As you can see, it&#8217;s difficult to come to a satisfying conclusion on this whole thing. There&#8217;s a reason why more ink has been spilled on Dialogue V than any of the other dialogues. It&#8217;s difficult to suss out what exactly Lucian was getting at here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"chapter-vii-so-what-can-megillus-tell-us-about-transgender-history\"><strong>C<\/strong>hapter VII: <strong>So, What Can Megillus Tell Us About Transgender History<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-aa506348f1b36cc33cbbf95531f972dc wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s tempting to imagine Lucian wrote this dialogue based on an actual encounter a courtesan described to him, and that Megillus was a description of an actual person, a person we might describe today as a <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/trans-men-in-history\/\">historical transgender man<\/a>, or at least a gender fluid person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f29b0bcfcbfe4723d1a33716e15cd56b wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s tempting. But while we don&#8217;t have any evidence to disprove this, we also don&#8217;t really have any evidence to support it either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-513bc8f633e67fa20acb5bf6adf39467 wp-block-paragraph\">But what we can use, kind of, is euhemerism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cdc3d1abc4151e5f965b770f6a377c16 wp-block-paragraph\">We talked about euhemerism in the video on Hermaphroditus, but as a quick refresher, it&#8217;s a lens through which to view mythology that assumes it&#8217;s inspired by a true story that&#8217;s been told, retold, embellished, and exaggerated across the ages.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c304b4fd8c8803baa54979bf670dddec wp-block-paragraph\">In the case of Hermaphroditus, we took the approach that their myths suggested the existence of intersex people in the ancient world as well, and used that as a jumping off point to explore that possibility.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-38eefcc1010f7b1d0cecc1c6cabc86b9 wp-block-paragraph\">Can we use the same approach with Megillus?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-402a0939575ed768d190cf37ba0021b3 wp-block-paragraph\">Sort of.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2db1586aa15e5e3f663babb23d858e78 wp-block-paragraph\">Euhemerism is a lens to use to analyze mythology, and Dialogues Of The Courtesans references mythology, sure, but it&#8217;s not mythology itself. Euhemerism relies on that centuries-long game of broken telephone to give us the stories we get now. The Trojan War, for example, was a real war \u2013 the city of Troy was destroyed, and we know there were Greeks in the battle because we found some Greek weapons there. They may even have been somebody named Akhilles present. But that doesn&#8217;t mean everything we read about in The Iliad is true. It was exaggerated over and over across the centuries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8cea2bbde797782050b146c62e02f160 wp-block-paragraph\">With Dialogues Of The Courtesans, we don&#8217;t have that. Mythology arises in eras where literacy is at a minimum, and stories are passed down through oral traditions. But Lucian was a writer, not an oral poet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6d8472af7da442a4da884fdfb9bb4ec0 wp-block-paragraph\">That said, it&#8217;s easy to imagine Lucian speaking with hetairai to get an idea of some of their stories as inspiration for Dialogues Of The Courtesans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d2ad25acf7baf0d24ef5553f6cc2c8bf wp-block-paragraph\">When I wrote my first novel, The Bottom Line, the plot revolves around construction workers on a high rise building. And believe it or not, in a past life, I did do home renovations professionally, but that&#8217;s not exactly building high rises. So when fleshing out the characters, I made sure to have several conversations with high rise construction workers along the way. That makes for a better book, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9f6a6683c4f55094362f6cb54a97fc1c wp-block-paragraph\">By the way, The Bottom Line is being published in 2024 through Vraeyda Literary. Link in the description if you&#8217;d like to preorder a copy, I&#8217;m really excited about it coming out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5acacb425bcaa3728a50969c4bebc929 wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, I can imagine Lucian did the same.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-804468825de1e854a518e01e8503f7b8 wp-block-paragraph\">Is that based on evidence? Not necessarily. But as we&#8217;ve already covered, exhaustively, extensively, it&#8217;s difficult to come to a satisfying conclusion about what Lucian was getting at.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cb125103fb3fb00f94f1ad3b17747449 wp-block-paragraph\">What you get from these videos is essentially my own research process. I don&#8217;t always know what I&#8217;m getting into, but I start from the perspective of being open to whatever I find. I have a long list of topics I&#8217;d like to research, but I don&#8217;t start with a conclusion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5cffb4bd4f3694c62afb415253424a35 wp-block-paragraph\">I started this video because Dialogue V looks pretty transy. It&#8217;s easy to just take what we read at face value, but unless we dig deeper, we aren&#8217;t really doing critical analysis. That&#8217;s the right wing approach to research \u2013 to come to a conclusion, and then look for evidence to support it. Instead, we want to look at the evidence, and come to whatever conclusion it leads us to.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-9ebfe4ff9bf3c3f8ab8507a25c78800a wp-block-paragraph\">That&#8217;s what we did with the Elagabalus video. I remember hearing about the transy bits of Elagabalus&#8217; story back in my undergrad, but not the details. And although I&#8217;d love to have been able to dig into the material and come back to say hey! Rome had a transgender emperor! The reality just isn&#8217;t that \u2013 not definitively. And that&#8217;s probably for the best, since Elagabalus was, if we believe the primary sources, a terrible person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-156e41a5faeeed387e29454cd05181e7 wp-block-paragraph\">So what conclusion can we take from here? Is this transgender history?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-05669322f6f2aa82d62ed4a4a1defe2c wp-block-paragraph\">Strictly speaking, no. Lucian may, conceivably, have based the character of Megillus on a real person, but if he did, there&#8217;s no evidence that the Megillus in Dialogue V is Lucian reporting on any true event.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b1f782a830b26cc02259ca00d0a7e751 wp-block-paragraph\">No, this is literature.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-691606c0d71764415b02f5f22b548850 wp-block-paragraph\">But literature doesn&#8217;t exist in a vacuum. It&#8217;s reflective of the society in which it was created. Whether it&#8217;s direct satire of current events like old comedy, or a lampooning of daily life more in line with new comedy, it still represents reality, even if that reality is distorted through the lens of fiction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0a31830a20019a493a2f92b171727171 wp-block-paragraph\">The Greeks, too, lived in a society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fcb82d76948f585f6b0d0c7f8b4fa65b wp-block-paragraph\">So what can we, as modern trans people, take away from Lucian&#8217;s Dialogue V?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a0bc2913db0f88cd0b91008a7df4bd27 wp-block-paragraph\">To start, it&#8217;s self evident that the Greeks had a broader understanding of gender than the simple \u201cbiology is destiny\u201d binary. Lucian provides four different examples of that \u2013 Megillus, plus the three mythological references. Whether it&#8217;s through circumstance, genetics, divine intervention, or pulling a wig off your head, that idea was clearly there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-17af57e1bd1ec20470758c105a323ea9 wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s also clear that existing outside the binary wasn&#8217;t necessarily viewed as a bad thing. Akhilles and Teiresias are highly regarded figures. They&#8217;re not ridiculed for having taken a woman&#8217;s role at one point. And Hermaphroditus had temples built to honour them \u2013 they were quite literally worshipped.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-539c8b7438750fe6400b449325dd4dce wp-block-paragraph\">Dionysus, as well, is considered a gender fluid figure \u2013 sort of the ancient equivalent of a femboy. And Leaena ends Dialogue V by invoking Aphrodite Ourania in saying she won&#8217;t tell about their sex life. Aphrodite Ourania is an aspect of Aphrodite specifically associated with her birth from Ouranos&#8217; castrated nads on the island of Cyprus \u2013 and there&#8217;s a centuries-long tradition of worship of a transgender Aphrodite on that island. More on that in a future video, which I&#8217;ve been working on for a long long time. The script is already twice as long as this one and it&#8217;s nowhere near done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0d22255a92d26b5b376dd217bd8a18e0 wp-block-paragraph\">*Sigh*<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b5941d42a30f2baddc32bf7ad832f723 wp-block-paragraph\">So while Megillus may or may not have been a real guy, gender fluidity was clearly still a thing in ancient Greece. In some cases, perhaps, it was shunned, but not as a rule \u2013 not necessarily.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-06ebdc2316603aff3f5da95196308480 wp-block-paragraph\">That&#8217;s not to imply ancient Greece was a paradise for gender nonconforming people, but nor was it necessarily the hellscape &#8216;phobes today want to make it out to be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0a8a87f0c68ccabe929ff3ed0767cf37 wp-block-paragraph\">Because history without trans people has never existed, and so long as humanity endures, it never will.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-fe0a7de2 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support The Channel On Patreon<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-palette-color-1-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-838a70574a6077e16c5da8e0bc681ca8\"><a id=\"_msocom_1\"><\/a>Ancient Sources Used:<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2f71313995a38bcc3e3f3cb8c9951aff wp-block-paragraph\">\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.loebclassics.com\/view\/LCL143\/1988\/volume.xml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">&#8220;Greek Lyric, Volume II: Anacreon, Anacreontea, Choral Lyric from Olympus to Alcman&#8221;. Edited and translated by David A. Campbell. Loeb Classical Library 143. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1988<\/a>.<br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/acharniansclouds00aris\/mode\/2up\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Aristophanes. &#8220;The Acharnians. The Clouds. Lysistrata&#8221;. Translated with an introduction by Alan H. Sommerstein. Markham, Penguin Books Canada, 1973<\/a>.<br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.loebclassics.com\/view\/LCL431\/1961\/volume.xml\">Lucian of Samosata. &#8220;Dialogues of the Dead. Dialogues of the Sea-Gods. Dialogues of the Gods. Dialogues of the Courtesans&#8221;. Translated by M. D. MacLeod. Loeb Classical Library 431. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961<\/a>.<br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/ovidmetamorphose0000rolf\/mode\/2up\">Ovid. &#8220;Metamorphoses&#8221;. Translated by Rolfe Humphries. Bloomington, Indiana University Press, 1955<\/a>. <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/symposiumbenjami0000plat\/mode\/2up\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Plato. &#8220;Symposium&#8221;. Translated by Benjamin Jowett, revised by Hayden Pelliccia. New York, Random House, 1996<\/a>. <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.loebclassics.com\/view\/LCL245\/1931\/volume.xml\">Plutarch. &#8220;Moralia, Volume III: Sayings of Kings and Commanders. Sayings of Romans. Sayings of Spartans. The Ancient Customs of the Spartans. Sayings of Spartan Women. Bravery of Women&#8221;. Translated by Frank Cole Babbitt. Loeb Classical Library 245. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1931<\/a>.<br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/aaronpoochigian.com\/books\/aaron-poochigian-sappho-stung-with-love-poems-and-fragments-poetry-translation\">Sappho. &#8220;Stung with Love: Poems And Fragments&#8221;. Translated by Aaron Poochigan. Toronto, Penguin Classics, 2009<\/a>.  <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theoi.com\/Text\/StatiusAchilleid1A.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Statius. &#8220;Thebaid, Volume II: Thebaid: Books 8-12. Achilleid&#8221;. Edited and translated by D. R. Shackleton Bailey. Loeb Classical Library 498. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2004<\/a>.<br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.loebclassics.com\/view\/LCL267\/1932\/volume.xml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Strabo. &#8220;Geography, Volume VIII: Book 17. General Index&#8221;. Translated by Horace Leonard Jones. Loeb Classical Library 267. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1932<\/a>.<br>\u25baXenophon. &#8220;On Revenues&#8221;. Translated by Henry Graham Dakyns.  2008. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"modern-sources-used\">Modern Sources Used: <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-1d5bd5d3c131ff9dcc8f913ee2f9d7d2 wp-block-paragraph\">\u25ba<a href=\"http:\/\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/j.ctt1bd6kd4.8\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AULT, BRADLEY A. \u201cBuilding Z in the Athenian Kerameikos: House, Tavern, Inn, Brothel?\u201d <em>Houses of Ill Repute: The Archaeology of Brothels, Houses, and Taverns in the Greek World<\/em>, edited by ALLISON GLAZEBROOK and BARBARA TSAKIRGIS, University of Pennsylvania Press (2016): 75\u2013102. <em>JSTOR<\/em><\/a>. <br><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/j.ctt1bd6kd4.8\">\u25ba<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/publication\/290089817_Man_Woman_or_Myth_Gender-bending_in_Lucian%27s_Dialogues_of_the_Courtesans\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Bissa, Errietta M. A. &#8220;Man, Woman or Myth? Gender-bending In Lucian&#8217;s Dialogues of the Courtesans&#8221;. Materiali e Discussioni per l&#8217;Analisi dei Testi Classici 70 (2013): 79-100<\/a>. <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.routledge.com\/Female-Homosexuality-in-Ancient-Greece-and-Rome\/Boehringer\/p\/book\/9780367744762\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Boehringer, Sandra. &#8220;Female Homosexuality in Ancient Greece and Rome&#8221;. Translated by Anna Prager. New York, Routledge, 2021<\/a>.  <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/26322602\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Blondell, Ruby, and Sandra Boehringer. &#8220;Revenge of the Hetairistria: The Reception of Plato&#8217;s Symposium in Lucian&#8217;s Fifth Dialogue of the Courtesans&#8221;. Arethusa vol. 47, no. 2 (2014): 231-264. JSTOR<\/a>.  <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/core\/books\/myth-of-sacred-prostitution-in-antiquity\/61198555C0E969D82AC0B8900F7D99E7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Budin, Stephanie Lynn. &#8220;The Myth of Sacred Prostitution in Antiquity&#8221;. Cambridge University Press, 2008<\/a>. <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/journals.openedition.org\/cliowgh\/310\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Cuchet, Violaine Sebillote. &#8220;Women as Wool-Workers and Sex-Workers in Athens&#8221;. Translated by John Dillon. Clio 38 (2013)<\/a>. <br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/greekhomosexuali00dove_0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dover, Kenneth James. &#8220;Greek Homosexuality&#8221;. Cambridge MA, Harvard University Press, 1989<\/a>.<br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/in.gov.ignca.70545\/mode\/2up\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Johns, Catherine. &#8220;Sex Or Symbol? 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