{"id":293,"date":"2024-03-08T01:20:30","date_gmt":"2024-03-08T01:20:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sbedwards.co\/staging\/9372\/?p=293"},"modified":"2025-12-04T22:22:53","modified_gmt":"2025-12-04T22:22:53","slug":"woke-north-hertfordshire-museum-transes-roman-emperor-elagabalus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sbedwards.co\/staging\/9372\/woke-north-hertfordshire-museum-transes-roman-emperor-elagabalus\/","title":{"rendered":"WOKE North Hertfordshire Museum TRANSES Roman Emperor Elagabalus???"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"WOKE North Hertfordshire Museum TRANSES Roman Emperor Elagabalus??? | Transgender Ancient History\" width=\"1290\" height=\"726\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/l_GIT3i53IY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-58e5782dcf3cdeee6bf31056611430ba\">It&#8217;s not every day we get a news story about a Roman emperor, but here we are.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c77861f9ba0f00505462da246ec63c9f\">The North Hertfordshire Museum, in uh, North Hertfordshire, has decided to reclassify Elagabalus as a <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/trans-women-in-history\/\">historical trans woman<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7797f21840d96e8ef6121ce7b54d5608\">This is really exciting, right?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-3bb42037631d1b7d510bfa86686c65e1\">After all, this is a channel about <a href=\"\/transgender-history\/\">transgender history<\/a>, and I made an hour long video about the (maybe) transgender Roman Emperor Elagabalus, and I used she\/her pronouns the whole time, so it must be true that she&#8217;s trans, right? And now she&#8217;s finally getting the recognition she deserves, right??<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a3894e610ae3fe84322ee10974a3bb4b\">RIGHT????<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-bb5e0a8c7138246bed39ca5433d48686\">Ehhhhhh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-defc3b6ddea52338fb6eb009fdfaf2c0\">Look, context is everything. Sometimes there&#8217;s more nuance to what you see on the surface when you dig deeper.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e43ae7e52912fd1a77ef291e8c7669f2\">Just because the sources say Elagabalus identified as a lady doesn&#8217;t mean she identified as a lady. And not in the sort of way where you read some very very very very gay stuff from 18<sup>th<\/sup> century sapphics and historians declare them to be \u201cgood friends\u201d and \u201croommates\u201d. Elagabalus didn&#8217;t write anything, as far as we know, so we have to rely on what others said.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-a3201c7d520ef01367623db69f3f6cb8\">In case this is your first time joining us, welcome. I&#8217;m Sophie, and this is We Have Always Existed. It&#8217;s a channel where we explore the wealth of trans related histories from the ancient Mediterranean. Like, comment, subscribe, Patreon, yadda yadda yadda.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-a89b3969 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support The Channel On Patreon<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-fdbf08c2d16c28080336dd28ae3cad5e\">A while back, I did a video on Elagabalus. It was actually one of the first scripts I started working on, back when this channel was just a twinkle in my eye. I finished writing it, but hadn&#8217;t finished filming it, when Mia Mulder released her Elagabalus video, and I&#8217;m always gonna be a little salty about that.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-afdb3767680365371b9e9e010d047ffd\">But anyway, my video was a deep dive into the primary sources and the scholarship around Elagabalus. And if you haven&#8217;t seen it, you might want to watch it before this one, because it provides a lot of context for what we&#8217;re talking about here.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-408c248a46bbbcd7e987dfc904485019\">Anyway, spoiler alert, my conclusion was that we don&#8217;t know if she was actually trans, and barring some incredible new discovery of primary sources further illuminating this, we probably won&#8217;t ever know.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cda034086898b824e21e3eb3e1329915\">But that hasn&#8217;t stopped the WOKE MOB<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d1b5470ea8e0ac53e72800be162e949c\">BREAKING NEWS: THE WOKE NORTH HERTFORSHIRE MUSEUM HAS DECIDED TO REWRITE HISTORY. Will they stop at nothing in their depraved pursuit of forcing their fetishes onto everyone else??? Now we can&#8217;t even look to the golden age of human virtue and purity, the Roman empire, without dealing with PRONOUNS! Is nothing sacred? The ancient world was austere, honourable, temperate, measured. And now it&#8217;s just gays and sex everywhere you look!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7a709ce3ad28dc37e6cbb1ebf6324e40\">It&#8217;s very silly.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-49ecda24a18d9f90ef787ff783e44f38\">Reporting on history sometimes feels like reporting on science \u2013 nobody seems to know how to do it effectively. Myself included sometimes, I&#8217;m far from perfect. But WOW is this ever embarrassing. And I&#8217;m not just talking about right wing sources.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-04065b397e3a6815a407048c7230513a\">Look, Elagabalus might have been a <a href=\"\/category\/we-have-always-existed\/transgender-historical-individuals\/\">historical transgender person<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2198cac6817698502f6500bc1ba697ec\">A responsible historical approach is to leave the topic thoroughly in the \u201cmaybe\u201d bin.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-901a12570dd35f626751e66b14246da9\">But despite the parade of news articles on this, there&#8217;s very little in the way of genuine information. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d35a18cff7ad982a750293c963e1f1b2\">Either it&#8217;s right wingers frothing at the mouth to rile up their base about PRONOUNS and WOKENESS, or it&#8217;s LGBTQ2IA+ sources itching for any news about trans people that isn&#8217;t depressing, or it&#8217;s people with no background in history doing their best to figure things out with what I&#8217;m sure is a tight deadline, or it&#8217;s clickbait writers writing clickbait articles with clickbait headlines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c4a64e3cf87571d6e54e89643cd38cd6\">What are these <em>pisseurs de copie<\/em> missing? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-84cfcc735caa637f32de81662750f270\">Context.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2a37864c5bc8b7f4086c55b2d48a4955\">First, as usual, there&#8217;s a media frenzy around a trans topic, and as usual it&#8217;s a very minor thing blown way out of proportion. In this case, all the <a href=\"https:\/\/northhertsmuseum.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">North Hertfordshire Museum<\/a> has is a single Elagabalus coin, in a tiny little queer display. That&#8217;s not really that big a deal. My whole house is a queer display, and I have a single Elagabalus coin too, check it out. You can find this stuff at precious metals shops or on Ebay, and they&#8217;re not usually very expensive. This was was only $30.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-df8fa251e01aca781ec6bc0ab35562f1\">They&#8217;ve included the coin in LGBT themed displays, which I&#8217;m fine with. Elagabalus was reported to have married both men and women, so whether she was trans or not, that still works. But if we&#8217;re going in that direction, there are other figures they could include as well, including the emperor Hadrian. Do they do the same? To be fair, I don&#8217;t know. They boast a fairly large numismatics collection on their website, but there isn&#8217;t much information about what that includes, and they haven&#8217;t responded to my attempts to speak with them about it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-966cfb0f3197459408d23d987d971083\">As usual, it&#8217;s the politicians causing trouble.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-36eeeaade858fc22aaf9382dcc97a8d1\">The local council, it seems, is involved with the museum&#8217;s operations. And Keith Hoskins, Councillor and executive member for enterprise and arts, decided to pipe up and give his opinion on things. He told The Telegraph:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-3-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2b16b782c5d514b336d4ed0b1ce80a1f\">Elagabalus most definitely preferred the she pronoun, and as such this is something we reflect when discussing her in contemporary times. We try to be sensitive to identifying pronouns for people in the past, as we are for people in the present. It is only polite and respectful. We know that Elagabalus identified as a woman and was explicit about which pronouns to use, which shows that pronouns are not a new thing.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-dc2b52bddf91780fb321010da7d6df4f\">Pronouns are not a new thing, this is true.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ded0a380b8ce5bc407fd5fc7b8d3eaeb\">People using pronouns for themselves is also not a new thing.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-4a3a311ed4399f9edce406ef2d89dfb2\">They didn&#8217;t exactly work that way in Latin though.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-6136a033b0cbbe82d9e50492cb7aa92e\">This is a massive oversimplification, but a person&#8217;s gender is determined by the ending of the words used to refer to them \u2013 dominus for lord, domina for lady, rex for king, regina for queen, etc. Coins for Queen Elizabeth, rest in piss, say \u201cregina\u201d on them, and coins for this moron say \u201crex,\u201d because these utter clowns have been engaged in a millennia-long cosplay of Roman emperors and just can&#8217;t let go of it no matter how pathetic they look. The DG part, by the way, means \u201cdei gratia\u201d &#8211; by the grace of God.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0279ca6c28b582d34073fbba14769e12\">Not really pronouns, but whatever, close enough.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f23b16144171bfeddc3ad0fe0d399b49\">It is polite and respectful to do your best to use the correct pronouns for people, that&#8217;s also true. And it&#8217;s especially nice to see a UK politician say that. So, good on you Keith.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-d1d16864694e3020f679b125519e62af\">But to say \u201cwe know\u201d that Elagabalus identified as a woman? And that she was explicit about what pronouns to use?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-3d7ed5ab5b7ca7b2f8050c4a4f9a2fb8\">No. That&#8217;s simply not true.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-8ea84ea1b57ba8250d06593d41b0c0a1\">We have three different sources on Elagabalus, and each is unreliable for their own reasons \u2013 watch the original video for more details. So while they <em>do<\/em> describe her in pretty transy terms, they&#8217;re also not reliable sources on her life.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-074e551bb6c9948742c818e9b2485609\">So why did I use she\/her pronouns when referring to Elagabalus in that video? Why am I still using them now? Because it&#8217;s no more or less correct than he\/him. There&#8217;s no conclusive proof that she <em>was<\/em> trans, but that doesn&#8217;t mean she <em>wasn&#8217;t <\/em>trans \u2013 it means we don&#8217;t know. There are plenty of sources that use he\/him, and I wanted to offer a counterbalance in the off chance she actually was trans, but don&#8217;t misinterpret \u2013 I&#8217;m not leaning toward one conclusion or another. I wasn&#8217;t claiming her as trans, because the sources didn&#8217;t provide enough evidence to do so, despite the fact that the video thumbnail had a scuplture of Elagabalus against a trans flag.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f1e4273b14ff10eb56aba00f53df0f92\">I really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big deal for people to refer to Elagabalus with she\/her pronouns. And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big deal to include Elagabalus in an exhibit geared toward LGBTQ2IA+ people in general.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-35f5c10d0c5146e20bdae66f1558447e\">But at the risk of sounding like a creationist here, teach the controversy.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-08d9c4b7de03f8c244cbb7e83c379b08\">We can&#8217;t be out here telling people Elagabalus was definitively trans, because definitive evidence doesn&#8217;t exist. And look, the reality is that if we just take the sources at face value, we also have to take at face value the fact that Elagabalus was a truly horrible, awful, wretched, monstrous, mind blowingly evil person. And quite frankly, we transes get enough bad press as it is.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f81af81be6ab76af9f46fb2570a3c2dd\">The North Hertfordshire Museum isn&#8217;t exactly The Met, but it still seems to be a reputable museum led by well meaning people with academic credentials. The museum&#8217;s curator is a guy named Keith Fitzpatrick-Matthews, who&#8217;s got a handful of publications in his name, related to archaeology of ancient sites near North Hertfordshire. He&#8217;s also got this wonderful web 1.0 homepage out there with some conversations around archaeology, atheism, socialism, life as a gay man growing up in 90&#8217;s Manchester, and an adorable page of fawning praise about his partner. These sort of vintage personal homepages are such a wonderful piece of internet archaeology themselves. The wonderful electronic music pioneer and trans woman Wendy Carlos also has an amazing web 1.0 site. I just love websites like these, absolute treasures. Maybe this is 90s kid nostalgia, or maybe it&#8217;s just reminding me of how things were before billionaires gentrified the internet and we all used the same five sites over and over.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cfe03e764246ccee160dc3957c282ef7\">Anyway, the North Herts museum seems like a swell place run by swell people. I think they ought to put a lid on their councillor yakking about things he doesn&#8217;t understand, though.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-2ea6b1def8868d19a836f31dfb5de611\">I wasn&#8217;t even going to do a video on this, but people keep bringing it to my attention, so here we are. I guess I&#8217;ve got a bit of a reputation now, whoops.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-8-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-271554b8268a09bcfee26a95ce914bef\">So, there. Ya happy? Now let me get back to the other videos I&#8217;ve been working on.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-a89b3969 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support The Channel On Patreon<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">News articles referenced: <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-ti-bg-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c9a691cb8769d729eeb71d8cf6a2b015\">\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/2023\/11\/20\/trans-roman-emperor-hitchin-museum-claim-pronouns-woke\/\">https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/2023\/11\/20\/trans-roman-emperor-hitchin-museum-claim-pronouns-woke\/ <\/a><br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-12772931\/Roman-Emperor-Elagabalus-transgender-referred-museum.html \">https:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-12772931\/Roman-Emperor-Elagabalus-transgender-referred-museum.html <\/a><br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2023\/11\/21\/news\/uk-museum-says-roman-emperor-was-a-trans-woman\/ \">https:\/\/nypost.com\/2023\/11\/21\/news\/uk-museum-says-roman-emperor-was-a-trans-woman\/ <\/a><br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/www.thepinknews.com\/2023\/11\/21\/museum-roman-emperor-transgender-woman\/ \">https:\/\/www.thepinknews.com\/2023\/11\/21\/museum-roman-emperor-transgender-woman\/ <\/a><br>\u25ba<a href=\"https:\/\/metro.co.uk\/2023\/11\/22\/roman-emperor-reclassified-transgender-british-museum-19860029\/ \">https:\/\/metro.co.uk\/2023\/11\/22\/roman-emperor-reclassified-transgender-british-museum-19860029\/ <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-ti-bg-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7d0ebc5c1406846a57dd100a7a8b9f25\">For a more thorough bibliography on Elagabalus, see the previous video on the subject, linked above. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s not every day we get a news story about a Roman emperor, but here we are.&nbsp; The North Hertfordshire Museum, in uh, North Hertfordshire, has decided to reclassify Elagabalus as a historical trans woman.&nbsp; This is really exciting, right?&nbsp; After all, this is a channel about transgender history, and I made an hour long [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":294,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[207,186,189,187,4],"tags":[144,121,137,119,120,143,118,116,146,139,142,145,138,122,123,126,136,129,124,112,140,117,114,115,141],"class_list":["post-293","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-trans-women-in-history","category-transgender-archaeology","category-transgender-historical-individuals","category-transgender-history","category-we-have-always-existed","tag-ancient-history","tag-ancient-rome","tag-ancient-transgender-history","tag-breadtube","tag-classical-studies","tag-historical-transgender-individuals","tag-lgbt","tag-lgbtq-history","tag-north-hertfordshire-museum","tag-numismatics","tag-queer-youtuber","tag-roman-emperor","tag-roman-empire","tag-roman-history","tag-the-history-of-gender-identity","tag-trans-education","tag-trans-history","tag-trans-people-in-history","tag-trans-woman","tag-transgender","tag-transgender-emperor","tag-transgender-history-documentary","tag-transgender-issues","tag-transgender-rights","tag-transgender-roman-emperor"],"blocksy_meta":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>WOKE North Hertfordshire Museum TRANSES Roman Emperor Elagabalus??? 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